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The iMac Pro isn't there to innovate, video editors, movie makers, game makers and so on do not care about a fresh design they want to get serious work done, the iMac is a great computer and Apple have taken that and made it more powerful. If you don't like the all in one design you can wait for the new Mac Pro which Apple is also working on, the whole point of the iMac Pro is to give more power to those in the Pro market that love the iMac.
 
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Sorry but simply stuffing more powerful components into a chassis a few years old in design with a screen you already sell is not innovation, the Surface Studio was innovation with a fresh new idea to a target market.

The surface studio is a mini pc with an old graphics card connected to a movable screen, yes it shows some innovation but so does stuffing a full professional workstation into a slim compact all in one with a 5k screen.
 
Sorry but simply stuffing more powerful components into a chassis a few years old in design with a screen you already sell is not innovation, the Surface Studio was innovation with a fresh new idea to a target market.
A fresh new idea doesnt mean innovation
 
I disagree I think Apple do make the best mac technology today, firstly they are the only people to make it, secondly they make the product they want and on the whole they do it brilliantly. Just because it’s not what you want doesn’t mean it’s not the best they can make.
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I'm struggling to decipher what you're saying here, but I think the logic follows that apple could release the ENIAC, put MacOS on it, and it would be the best mac technology, because they are the only ones that make it?

Samuelsan2001 said:
What you mean putting workstation performance in a slim compact all in one, no that’s not innovation at all, you really have a few issues with reality don’t you.
They drilled 2 holes, added an extra fan, then redesigned a motherboard.

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Nor was the first 5k all in one years before anyone else innovation, or a touchbar that changes function depending on what software you are using. Nor was that MacBook Air an impossibly thin and light computer on release. Or the iPhone and iPad that changed the phone and tablet market out of all recognition, or the App Store much copied and never matched, or the iPod a music device with a brilliantly simple interface and UI, that changed apples fortunes and changed the face of music. That’s not mention the things they were late to the party with because the6 insisted that they work before they used them like fingerprint sensors.
Reading isn't that hard:
Fried Chicken said:
Apple hasn't innovated anything in the mac space in the last 5 years.
The touchbar is, to put it lightly, for those whom god has unequivocally declared mentally deficit from birth.
The Macbook (I assume you meant this by saying Macbook Air) is innovative?
The iPhone isn't a Mac.
The iPad isn't a Mac.
The App Store on the Mac needs to die. It isn't an innovation, it is a hemorrhoid.
The iPod isn't a mac, and has been abandoned by apple
Fingerprint sensors on computers have existed forever, and continue to be stupid.
Only the 5K iMac is innovative, so I guess one out of 8 isn't bad.


Samuelsan2001 said:
Apple innovate constantly just because you aren’t interested in what they are doing doesn’t make it any less innovative or brilliant, it just makes you more boorish and ridiculous that you can’t see it even if it isn’t relevant to you.
Again I'm trying to decipher what you're saying. I'm boorish and ridiculous because I can't see if something isn't relevant to me....? Does not looking at the dark side of the moon also make me boorish and ridiculous? Since I can't see it, and it isn't relevant to me?

I think you need to read up on your computer history, so you can understand what real innovation is young padawan.
 
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I'm struggling to decipher what you're saying here, but I think the logic follows that apple could release the ENIAC, put MacOS on it, and it would be the best mac technology, because they are the only ones that make it?


They drilled 2 holes, added an extra fan, then redesigned a motherboard.


Reading isn't that hard:

The touchbar is, to put it lightly, ****ing retarded.
The Macbook (I assume you meant this by saying Macbook Air) is innovative?
The iPhone isn't a Mac.
The iPad isn't a Mac.
The App Store on the Mac needs to die. It isn't an innovation, it is a hemorrhoid.
The iPod isn't a mac, and has been abandoned by apple
Fingerprint sensors on computers have existed forever, and continue to be stupid.
Only the 5K iMac is innovative, so I guess one out of 8 isn't bad.



Again I'm trying to decipher what you're saying. I'm boorish and ridiculous because I can't see if something isn't relevant to me....? Does not looking at the dark side of the moon also make me boorish and ridiculous? Since I can't see it, and it isn't relevant to me?

I think you need to read up on your computer history, so you can understand what real innovation is young padawan.

Apart from loving the Star Wars quote, the rest of your post is just deliberately not understanding me.
However i’m getting a hell of a lot of likes on my posts in this thread so i’ll take it most people get what i’m saying.

Just to spell it out Apple innovate all the time, just because you personally don’t appreciate their innovations doesn’t mean they aren’t happening and doesn’t mean they aren't brilliant.

The first retina laptops and the best attempts at a low glare glossy screen. Predating everyone else by over a year in 2013.

I love the touchbar (it’s just a pity I don’t need a new laptop currently I have loved it when i’ve used it) I hate touchscreens on computers, for me that’s innovation an alternative to a touchscreen laptop or 2 in one and a new avenue for software developers to customise their controls a double innovation. Touchscreen computers that require you to smear the screen and lift your arm into a very uncomfortable and un-ergonomic position to use now that’s innovation I can do without myself, but hey it’s still innovation. (see what I did there? I appreciated an innovation that I personally don’t like as innovation nonetheless) And if you want it, you know where to shop, Microsoft make some great hardware these days, pity their software is still a sack of doodoo but you can’t have everything.

5k screens on an all in one 2-3 years before anyone else got close and still unmatched, it gave the ability to edit 4K footage one to one pixels with your software controls still visible on screen, now that’s innovation.

The MacBook a fanless, silent, all solid state, retina screened beauty perfect for anyone who needs personal computing and business apps on the go, so innovative that everyone copied them within months.

Lastly the iMac Pro a fully featured workstation built into a slim compact all in one with a class leading screen and I/O. Now that’s innovation as no one else makes one.

Notice this time I stuck to macs and your arbitrary 5 year timeline. Now show me the innovation in the rest of the market. If you’ve read the thread you’ll see my thoughts on the surface studio and I’ve been pretty clear what I think about touch screen computers in their current incarnation but knock yourself out point out what i’m missing.

As I say you may not want or need any of these innovations but not recognising them as innovations is ridiculous.

Lastly i’m Off to see Star Wars tonight can’t wait are you booked in to see it??
 
I work in a building that has more then 60 companies, and more then 1400 employees. Most of those companies use mac. Well, butterfly keyboard isn't worth it, it's unreliable. Completely.

And I've met just 2 persons that actually love touch bar. Just 2. I hate that gimmick myself. And I don't care for touchscreens on laptop as well.

I plan on purchasing a 15" macbook pro when or if Apple ever releases one without TB. Until then, my Lenovo will work just fine. First time using windows almost completely since 2007. That is what the TB did to my mac experience :p
 
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Again I'm trying to decipher what you're saying. I'm boorish and ridiculous because I can't see if something isn't relevant to me....? Does not looking at the dark side of the moon also make me boorish and ridiculous? Since I can't see it, and it isn't relevant to me?

I think you need to read up on your computer history, so you can understand what real innovation is young padawan.

Hahahaha, are you sure you're not Steve Jobs reincarnated?
 
£4800+ in the UK so I think I'll wait until the architecture is a little cheaper.
I'm betting that a lot of people buy just the keyboard & mouse....;)
 
And what force from heaven is keeping them from using the old case?

I'm very impressed with the iMac Pro, and I think its a fantastic machine and that Apple did innovate. I don't understand the logic in complaining about the iMac Pro not being innovative but then asking to use the old Mac Pro case with new parts.

The touchbar is, to put it lightly, ****ing retarded.
The Macbook (I assume you meant this by saying Macbook Air) is innovative?
The iPhone isn't a Mac.
The iPad isn't a Mac.
The App Store on the Mac needs to die. It isn't an innovation, it is a hemorrhoid.
The iPod isn't a mac, and has been abandoned by apple
Fingerprint sensors on computers have existed forever, and continue to be stupid.
Only the 5K iMac is innovative, so I guess one out of 8 isn't bad.
I don't think anyone in this thread is thinking the iPod/iPhone/iPad are macs, not sure why you need to bring that up :confused:
While the fingerprint sensor has been out for a long time, they're the only ones to get it right and its implementation is secure unlike other implementations.
The Touchbar is very innovative, I personally happen to think its a gimmick but that doesn't diminish the innovation needed to implement it.
What makes the 5K iMac innovation in your mind?

After reading this thread, you seem to be personally insulted and upset over Apple's iMac Pro offering. I could be wrong but you seem to be taking this personally and while this machine is not for me, either because of the power or the price tag, it seems many other people do want this. Whether this is a success or not, is up in the air at this stage but I give apple props for finally re-focusing on the professional sector.
 
but I give apple props for finally re-focusing on the professional sector.
... and this is where I disagree completely.

This is not a professional machine.
It is current hardware, highly integrated and designed to operate without any headroom.
I would assume it throttles like everything from Apple ... just before it melts down.
 
Every iMac and MacBook I have ever owned has thermal throttled.... so I wouldn't get the iMac Pro because I'm quite sure it will have lots of thermal problems.

My 2014 iMac's GPU burnt through my screen... and they replaced the screen and logic board and the GPU again runs at 100C and my screen started flickering again. They say the 2014 iMac can handle the 5k screen and an external 4k but in my experience doing this heats the unit up way too much and damages it.

Putting the specs of an iMac Pro into the body of an iMac is a **bad idea**. The fact that it's also even less user reparable than the previous iMacs makes it an even worse idea.

Unless you are really rich or your company is buying you the iMac Pro, I would absolutely not recommend it because if/when you have problems with it you are in big trouble.
 
... and this is where I disagree completely.

This is not a professional machine.
It is current hardware, highly integrated and designed to operate without any headroom.
I would assume it throttles like everything from Apple ... just before it melts down.
Perhaps, but I think it provides a machine with gobs of storage/ram/processors something the professionals clamored for (not the only thing they clamored for). I also have to believe Apple is aware of the thermal demands of putting 18 cores into an iMac enclosure and will have engineered the case accordingly.
 
They drilled 2 holes, added an extra fan, then redesigned a motherboard.

What would you like to see, then? How do you define innovative?

The aluminum iMac has existed since 2007, slim aluminum unibody since 2012. Every iMac design since 2007 has been built using two primary components -- machined aluminum and glass. It's actually quite simple. On the other hand, competitors such as Dell and HP have released AIO systems that have been, for the most part, underwhelming. In terms of aesthetics, they're built from a variety of plastics that are snapped together. Performance is inferior to the iMac -- most have slow CPUs with integrated graphics (even the high-end models are equipped with low performing chips such as the 940MX with a whopping 2GB of DDR3 memory), and even Dell offers single-channel memory options on its' "high-performance" machines.

As far as I'm concerned, the iMac is in a class of its own. No other major competitor has really offered any fierce competition.
 
also have to believe Apple is aware of the thermal demands of putting 18 cores into an iMac enclosure and will have engineered the case accordingly.
I disagree. The 18 core version is an option because the chipset supports it.
I do not believe for a split second that Apple cares if the machine is capable of handling the thermal output under load.

Apple could design a water-cooled mini-tower with enough headroom to support any configuration that customers would like to use.

I know your next argument is "But that's the modular Mac Pro".
You would be correct, but it proves the point that Apple just used the iMac Design to up sell you with unrealistic options.

The modular Mac Pro will be exactly the same, starting at an even higher price point.
 
Perhaps, but I think it provides a machine with gobs of storage/ram/processors something the professionals clamored for (not the only thing they clamored for). I also have to believe Apple is aware of the thermal demands of putting 18 cores into an iMac enclosure and will have engineered the case accordingly.

That's what I thought about the retina imac when it came out too and I got burned... literally burned. My iMac throttled nearly all the time, the GPU runs at 99C constantly and I had to get a replacement mac because the GPU burnt the screen and made a blue stain. I also replaced the screen 3 times from image retention which may have been from poor thermals.

The reviews for the Mac Pro on youtube report on how quiet the mac pro is. I am worried apple did the same thing they just did with the new macbooks where they sacrifice some performance and let the machine throttle so that they can keep the fans low/quiet.

I dont think the iMac Pro will be able to cool itself. Maybe for burst tasks but not sustained tasks.
 
I know your next argument is "But that's the modular Mac Pro".

Good point - And also, we must all remember that before the outcry and the "town hall", this iMac Pro was going to be "it" for high end Macs.

There wasn't even ever going to be another Mac Pro, modular or not..

It as just the iMac Pro in their plans, nothing else.
Just this to cater to all needs above a normal iMac or shamefully out of date Mac Mini.

Apple really really wants to kill the Mac and be iOS only but they simply can't and it bums them out, you can just tell.
 
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Good point - And also, we must all remember that before the outcry and the "town hall", this iMac Pro was going to be "it" for high end Macs.

Nothing else.
Just this to cater to all needs above a normal iMac or shamefully out of date Mac Mini.

Apple really really wants to kill the Mac and be iOS only but they simply can't and it bums them out, you can just tell.

Apple can't kill OS X. How would you develop for iOS without Xcode? And they would be throwing away lots of profit.

The iPad Pro is great and the new dock and multitasking and split screen stuff makes iOS on iPad way more usable as a computer replacement. But professional engineers and designers absolutely cant use the iPad or iOS for developing software because it's much too limited compared to OS X.
 
How would you develop for iOS without Xcode?

Once that is on iOS, I think macOS is feature complete and on retirement row, I really do.

Change is hard and usually never what established users like you and I want...but change happens and it will again.

If I had to hedge on this, I'd say that all mobile devices will go iOS and macOS could continue for a long while as a desktop OS only (for all the pro uses, etc).
 
It as just the iMac Pro in their plans, nothing else.
The iMac Pro is their to bridge the gap for the new Mac Pro.
If todays iMac Pro prices seem high, wait for the 2018 Mac Pro.

Just the fact that it is a little "modular" will catapult the price to regions previously unknown to greedy capitalism.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, the iMac is in a class of its own. No other major competitor has really offered any fierce competition.
Unfortunately this is true.

I didn’t mention one thing that has happened in the mac space that is pretty innovative: APFS.

Although it doesn’t work with fusion drives.... and CoreStorage is still a mess.
 
The iMac Pro is their to bridge the gap for the new Mac Pro.

Oh I agree, but we must realize that they never intended to even make another Mac Pro.
That's all I was saying.

Apple was ready to make this iMac Pro their only modern desktop for above consumer usage.
 
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