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What about a real workstation graphics card with ECC vram like a Radeon Pro wx9100 or Quadro rtx and not a rebranded gaming card?
I don't disagree. I guess we'll be waiting for the Mac Pro for that. Keep in mind that the iMac Pro is just a band aid until the Mac Pro comes out.
 
5k monitor?

Yes. But the comment about the gaming rig not being a xenon or having ECC memory is accurate. But keep in mind I did ZERO shopping around. I just went to the first random site that Google returned and chose basically every absurdly priced option I could find, like 4x10TB HDDs. The liquid cooling system in that was north of $900, that kind of thing. I just did it to see if I could make the point that Apple's pricing on this is nothing short of way beyond absurd.

Now, agreed, if this was a real MacPro maybe it would be worth this type of investment. Then you could upgrade and repair it as necessary at reasonable price, not when you. But that doesn't describe the iMac Pro (or the current so-called "MacPro"). It's fundamentally flawed design, and that means it's not worth anywhere close to what Apple is charging. They've just gone out of their minds on pricing when you compare it actual value. It's a place where historically, no matter what negatives you could point-out about Apple products, they almost always won-out when it came to real-world long-term bang-for-the-buck. Those days appear to be long-gone. Sure hope we see them return!
 
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For the new mac pro, for some reason I have some picture in my head of something that looks like stacks of mini's each with a different swap-able function, cpu, vid, memory, storage etc. Probably with proprietary connection, or at least through TB posts maybe.

That was my initial idea, too. So much so, that when the new Mac Mini was introduced with 64GB RAM and 10GB Ethernet, I almost thought that this WAS the new Mac Pro in all but name!
 
Because nothing screams "Pro" more than not being able to afford the RAM you want at purchase but being able to add it later at a cheaper price to get more life out of the system...

that's right! real pro's never need updating!

"Make a decision and don't regret as casual users do" (A real pro user)

"Over pay a product the day you buy it just in case in the future you need more specs" (Real Pro User mantra)
 
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Which models in their current range do you regard as a setting the standard the other manufacturers strive to emulate?
Well, iMacs, Macbook and Macbook Pro are best in their area, or does any PC have so incredible Touch ID? Multitouch pad? Aluminium design wise case? Retina display+macOS HiDpi handling? 5K screen? High performance SSD (better tech than the samsung EVO Pro)... etc

Ah! You mean Apple don’t update too often the macs? Yep that’s right, still, they are simply best designers computers with the best and most complete features (Mac Pro aside...)
 
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Well, iMacs, Macbook and Macbook Pro are best in their area, or does any PC have so incredible Touch ID? Multitouch pad? Aluminium design wise case? Retina display+macOS HiDpi handling? 5K screen? High performance SSD (better tech than the samsung EVO Pro)... etc

Ah! You mean Apple don’t update too often the macs? Yep that’s right, still, they are simply best designers computers with the best and most complete features (Mac Pro aside...)

sounds like you're about 10 years out of date...

iMacs, MacBooks and MacBook pros are far from "leading in their class" these days. Numerous hardware issues on the Pro laptops. Thermal limits on almost all their devices. Questionable Keyboards with reliability issues.

Other manufacturers have also started putting fingerprint sensors on laptops for a long time now. The ones for example on Lenovo laptops have been the equivelant style touchID tech for a while now and work just as smooth.

ALL laptops these days are using multi-touch glass trackpads.

Aluminium design case is just a preference and purely subjective. Especially since there are lighter and stronger materials being used by many of their competition, like Dell's Carbon fibre for example.

Retina Display is just marketing term for high DPI displays. And yes, you can get PC's with high resolution displays. Many standard. And many cheaper than Apple's offerings. "retina" is nothing but marketing sale numbers. Apple's 13" "retina" display is 227 PPI. Razer's 4k Display on their stealth is 331.

Windows has HiDPI scaling. the problem here isn't the OS, it's the legacy applications who refuse to update to use the API's for the scaling. Any windows store UWP program will handle high dpi scaling quite well. In fact, it can even switch between scaling on the fly (for example, my primary display is 2560x1080, my secondary display is 4k. I can drag a program between monitors and it will scale automatically to best fit that resolution.

5k displays are not unique to Apple and can be purchased, used separately. However, they're not immensely popular because they are a non-standard resolution not generally used in the consumer space. Nobody produces 5k content. There's no streaming / content delivery system that supports 5k content. Nobody is complaining that it's available, but it's also not the tremendous selling point outside of a few content producers.

They are also not the "most complete" with the "most features". there's enough evidence in this thread alone of ppeople talking about needing HDMI ports, SD card readers, etc. Pulling these out and saying "just buy a dongle" doesn't make the device "the most complete". especially when you literally have half of their computers who don't even have a function row anymore. There's nothing wrong with the touchbar, it just doesn't replace a function key row for those who actually need it.

the simple fact is that Apple is no longer making the best computers. they keep pushign for "thinner" computers, while sacrificing performance and build quality, while raising prices outside of their competition. a lot of what you said was true back in 2010-2015 before much of the competition caught on that there is a market for high end laptops, but in today's marketplace, Apple's primary differentiator that sells Mac's is MacOS. from a purely hardware perspective, Apple's computeres today are NOT class leading in most regards.

Don't get me wrong, they're sexy computers, with an incredible reputation and a culture surrounding them. But from 2015-2019, Apple's computer division has been woefully neglected and poorly designed.
 
AGREE with others, allow memory upgrade for as long as Apple supports the product. Its that simple. However I'll probably cave....
 
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