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If this is really happening I wonder what the screen resolution will be on the Air. I don't think being lower than the current model would be acceptable, especially when using it as a large screen for your Mac.
 
Sure, I give you one. The Fitbit armband can since like a decade, track your sleep automatically. With the Apple Watch you need to actually put a sleep schedule lmao, otherwise it won’t track it. And what happens if you fall asleep outside of the manual schedule? Nothing, it doesn’t compute. That’s costing 10x more by the way.
Mine tracked my most recent night's sleep without sleep mode activated...8hrs 3 mins what else can I say 🤷‍♂️
 
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I don’t want a battery pack. Just let it plug in to an iPhone, iPad, or MacBook for power, media, data, and so on.
 
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Your memory is incorrect. Apple did lower the prices (and cancel the 4 GB model) but it still required a 2 year contract. The first contractless iphone was the iPhone 3G (but still locked to AT&T) and the first truly contractless unlocked phone was the iPhone 4.
I should have said "subsidized contract" instead of the parenthetical.
 
The first iPhone was revolutionary AND it sucked. Same goes for the first iPad. Do you recall that it weighed as much as an AVP?
I don't understand. What 2007 mobile phone was better than the original iPhone? It created a new category and had no rival. I don't know how that "sucks". And I didn't mention iPad - there wasn't a use case for it back then, and there still isn't today.
And if you think that the last great iPhone was the 5, I think you're looking for different things in a phone than I am.
probably.
I want a small, heavy phone with a physical home button, physical volume buttons, TouchID, a flush camera, and a home button on top rather than on the side opposed to volume.
 
Sure, I give you one. The Fitbit armband can since like a decade, track your sleep automatically. With the Apple Watch you need to actually put a sleep schedule lmao, otherwise it won’t track it. And what happens if you fall asleep outside of the manual schedule? Nothing, it doesn’t compute. That’s costing 10x more by the way.
That’s not true. The Apple Watch doesn’t need a sleep schedule to track sleep. I sometimes nap and it catches the nap as sleep.

The sleep schedule is for putting the watch into sleep mode, which changes the display and mutes non-essential notifications.

Plus when the iPhone alarm goes off you can stop it from the watch.
 
That’s not true. The Apple Watch doesn’t need a sleep schedule to track sleep. I sometimes nap and it catches the nap as sleep.

The sleep schedule is for putting the watch into sleep mode, which changes the display and mutes non-essential notifications.

Plus when the iPhone alarm goes off you can stop it from the watch.
And not to forget that vitals are tracked using sleep focus or schedule.
 
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What point is there in a Vision product line at all with no path to a mass market product? It'd just be another high end headset that only the wealthy and expert professionals can afford. Apple is banking on VR/AR being the next iPhone, all the major players are.
What makes folks think everything produced must quickly become a mass market product? Just the term makes me think about a firm selling mass spectrometers. Does not being a mass market product make mass spectrometers useless? Not in my mind.
 
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They better be planning to hit a dramatically lower price point AND support the heck out of developers, as well as have a gaming story and 1st party content narrative and support very fleshed out.

The AVP hasn't stagnated due to the hardware not being good enough.
The Vision Air can focus on price and catering to pure gamers. Gaming is not the core focus of an overwhelming majority of Apple’s Prosumer hardware targeting demographics with specs and components antagonistic for budget/average gamers.

Apple consistently does not sacrificing high PPI, Dolby Vision HDR, and so on important for prosumers and high-end computer users to chase mediocre PPI to have high refresh rates that budget/eSport gamers are willing to.

Vision Pro is great to do meaningfully great spatial computing beyond gamers.

The inconvenient truth is that a headset good at both will cost more than the existing Vision Pro out of necessity.

Especially so glasses.

Vision Pro price actually aligns with other prosumer monitor (especially OLED ones ultrawide or not with; $2000+ Ultrawides ones without even prosumer HDR).

Glasses frees 4K monitors are at least $2000 and spatial ones with or without high PPI cost ~$5000 with them more closer to $8000-$1000 more than anything else.
 
Interesting. I prefer the lighter colour for Vision headset. Wonder how much Apple will price the new Vision at. Don't think Apple will reduce it to $1999.
 
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Absolutely not. The vision pro is one of the most profound computing experiences I have ever had the joy of using. The first iPhone sucked and so did the first watch and the first iPad. Through proper iteration and improvements they became best in class. Apple made a limited amount of these and effectively sold off what was built. The virtual displays and other updates to the platform are making it more and more useful by the day and for entertainment there is no better device to consume it.


As someone who has used multiple android smart watches and fitness trackers, you are tripping big time.
My first Apple device was an Apple IIe, i had the first iPhone, launch day first iPad, Apple Watch, etc. I can’t agree with this. Those were incredibly intelligent devices, improving a solution to an existing need. They absolutely had weaknesses, but were clearly state of the art products ready for mass day to day use.

I did purchase a Vision Pro, but returned it. It was indeed an astonishing experience. It was impressive in comparison to the Quest 3 that I also have. But I just couldn’t find a real use case for it. And it was uncomfortable. I did not need to return it. I’m a senior partner in a law firm and have sufficient funds. But I just couldn’t find a reason to keep it. Maybe it’s because I’m an old man now. I don’t know. But, to me at least, there is a clear difference between this product and the others you mention.
 
The fact that you wrote this proves you don’t know what you’re talking about. It absolutely tracks outside of the sleeping schedule, which is mostly there to reduce distractions, notifications etc
They added it 6 months ago. Too little too late
 
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They added it 6 months ago. Too little too late
So you were wrong when you said it couldnt do it is what you’re saying

For most people the previous limitations werent a problem, it tracked sleep when they cared most about it tracking sleep

You seem to hate the awatch, and that’s fine, but it’s the most popular smart watch for a reason, it’s not in any way a failure

/Also it was 8 months ago that watchos 11 was released FWIW, not 6
 
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So you were wrong when you said it couldnt do it is what you’re saying

For most people the previous limitations werent a problem, it tracked sleep when they cared most about it tracking sleep

You seem to hate the awatch, and that’s fine, but it’s the most popular smart watch for a reason, it’s not in any way a failure

/Also it was 8 months ago that watchos 11 was released FWIW, not 6
10 years later and you think it’s fine. You should apply for apple, you have the right mindset
 
10 years later and you think it’s fine. You should apply for apple, you have the right mindset
…the watch is popular and makes a lot of money for Apple, both directly and in halo effect for the ecosystem. A lot folks, myself included find it useful. If that’s not fine I dont know what is. It was a pretty big deal to begin with when first released and got a lot better when they focused it on fitness and health after seeing what people were using it for, so sure, 10 years later it’s gotten more refined and better

Are you saying if it wasnt an uber mega hit with all the current features right out of the gate it wasnt worth doing?
 
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I don't understand. What 2007 mobile phone was better than the original iPhone? It created a new category and had no rival. I don't know how that "sucks". And I didn't mention iPad - there wasn't a use case for it back then, and there still isn't today.
I had the 2007 iPhone and I loved it. But other smart phones of the day had user loadable apps, and they had cut and paste, and they had 3G radios, all of which the iPhone lacked.

The original iPad sold 15 million units, even though it sucked. You may not have a use case for it, but it remains very popular, which implies that you not seeing a use case has no bearing on whether it will be a successful product.
 
Saying the first iPhone/iPad/Watch "sucked" is such Vision Pro-fan cope. They were popular from the get-go and changed the smartphone/tablet/wearable market, even if they were very limited on release. The Vision Pro hasn't done anything other than be ardently defended by a niche fandom online. It hasn't been the "new iPhone", no matter how much Tim Cook wanted it to be. The price is the most limiting factor, but even with a lower priced more "accessible" model, you're not going to see these goggles replace other devices, which is what it would need to do to be successful. It's going to continue to be niche, far more so than the iPhone, iPad, or Watch.
 
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Saying the first iPhone/iPad/Watch "sucked" is such Vision Pro-fan cope. They were popular from the get-go and changed the smartphone/tablet/wearable market, even if they were very limited on release. The Vision Pro hasn't done anything other than be ardently defended by a niche fandom online. It hasn't been the "new iPhone", no matter how much Tim Cook wanted it to be.

Yep

Any of us who were in lines outside Cingular stores for HOURS to get an iPhone 1 know this very well, first hand, and find the comparisons laughable for that exact reason (we remember it personally and the difference is stark).

It was an atmosphere of giddiness ... lines wrapped around buildings, on lawns, everyone jacked and trying to figure out if they'd get 4GB or 8GB ... or would they only have 4GB models by the time your turn came?
 
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Yep

Any of us who were in lines outside Cingular stores for HOURS to get an iPhone 1 know this very well, first hand, and find the comparisons laughable for that exact reason (we remember it personally and the difference is stark).

It was an atmosphere of giddiness ... lines wrapped around buildings, on lawns, everyone jacked and trying to figure out if they'd get 4GB or 8GB ... or would they only have 4GB models by the time your turn came?
…It’s an asinine argument to compare mainstream product to a prosumer one from whoever started it

There is no non-pro Vision Pro which is launched no different like a prosumer GPU first before the low-end and more imperfect variants launch.

The Mac Pro, Pro Display XDR, Mac Studio, iPad Pro, iMac Pro, and so on don’t have lines for them specifically and Apple doesn't care
 
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