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What a pile...

I can use HANGOUTS on my Mac, PC... iOS, Android... it works.

I can't use iMessage or FACETIME on anything but a Mac or iOS.

So not really a great universal tool. Within the ecosystem of Apple - great applications.

But I live and work in all those ecosystems and prefer a tool that works cross platform - SKYPE isn't bad.

Bill
 
Wait, so FaceTime's code is not open to independent review, yet the code has been audited? WTF
 
What's the big deal? If I cared about security, I wouldn't use FaceTime or anything on this list. If I didn't, I wouldn't care which one I use.
 
Can't one confirm Contacts' Identities using FaceTime, with, you know, their eyeballs?
 
What a pile...

I can use HANGOUTS on my Mac, PC... iOS, Android... it works.

I can't use iMessage or FACETIME on anything but a Mac or iOS.

So not really a great universal tool. Within the ecosystem of Apple - great applications.

But I live and work in all those ecosystems and prefer a tool that works cross platform - SKYPE isn't bad.

Bill

not sure if that is the point of the article. but maybe that's why it's more secure? just thinking out loud ... like you. :cool:
 
So are you telling me iMessages can't be scanned by the Feds??? Do they have to have the device to read them?

For some reason I just don't believe this...

That's the theory - it's encrypted and Apple doesn't have the key, so that anyone (whether Apple or the feds) fundamentally needs your phone's passcode in order to view them.

There's no way of knowing whether there's a backdoor in the encryption that the Feds can take advantage of, so you're right not to trust that implicitly. On the other hand, if such a backdoor exists, they would like to keep it a secret, so that limits the ways they would be able to use this data even if they were able to retrieve it. In other words, if you protect your phone with a password and text your pot dealer, they're unlikely to be able to use your iMessages as evidence against either of you, even if they can get to it.
 
Sad that Apple never opened up Facetime to everyone like Jobs said they would. It'd be great to use it with everyone, not just iOS users.
 
it's encrypted and Apple doesn't have the key

The key is generated by you, when you create an account, or when you sign in for the first time. Nobody has the key except you, if you keep your mac secure.

You can view the keys in your keychain, and you indeed can verify the identity of your chat partner, by comparing key fingerprints over a secure side-channel, but it's not easy for normal users.
 
This reminds me of the announcement when FaceTime was presented as open-source*...

*correction: open protocol
The first thing allows third-party auditing. The second third-party clients. It could be open source and still require Apple devices (as there is a single central server involved, you could clone and create your own central server but without Apple's help the two systems wouldn't be interoperable.
 
Sad that Apple never opened up Facetime to everyone like Jobs said they would. It'd be great to use it with everyone, not just iOS users.

But Apple couldn't control the implementation of clients on other systems, which unless their code was open source at the very least puts up the issues of trust in the third-party.

And any client that isn't open source (including Apple's) could send along the key to decrypt the message (that key obviously being encrypted such that only the client maker could listen in).
 
What does "Can you verify contacts' identities?" mean?

Like, if someone else shows up in FaceTime, wrong identity? ;)

Probably a good idea to get suspicious if the other party is wearing a mask. Though identification via voice would still be possible, even if not always reliable.

We might also call people we haven't met before in person.
 
But Apple couldn't control the implementation of clients on other systems, which unless their code was open source at the very least puts up the issues of trust in the third-party.

And any client that isn't open source (including Apple's) could send along the key to decrypt the message (that key obviously being encrypted such that only the client maker could listen in).

Couldn't they just make the clients themselves?
 
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