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Why don't people just move group messages to Whatsapp if the issues for Android are that significant? Why is it better to grant Android users access to iMessage?
 
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I was only arguing there was something to the bullying argument when you look at a market share that seems like an outlier. Then the conversation spun out.
There is nothing to the bullying arguments simply bedcause most teens in the US have an iPhone.

The average teen uses tik tok, snap, insta, facebook, and X(if you are 17-25). All which are cross platform.

Teens and Young adults are likely to use Snap over SMS/Imessage so they can hide things easier.
I am 27. SO im not a teen but im definitely still within the 20s something range and whenever a party is announced or an event, it is not through text message. It's usually on Social Media(namely snap).

When i meet guys at a bar or party they are asking for my snap or instagram. Not my number.
This is true for most people under the age of 30. The girl i made friends with Saturday night asked me for my Instagram not a phone number.

So no teens and young adults are not being bullied because they use a modern smartphone OS that allows them to use cross platform apps.

Now if you had said Windows Phone users vs Ios/Android, i could definitely tell you i felt left out because i didnt have snap lmao (2013)
 
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There is nothing to the bullying arguments simply bedcause most teens in the US have an iPhone.

The average teen uses tik tok, snap, insta, facebook, and X(if you are 17-25). All which are cross platform.

Teens and Young adults are likely to use Snap over SMS/Imessage so they can hide things easier.
I am 27. SO im not a teen but im definitely still within the 20s something range and whenever a party is announced or an event, it is not through text message. It's usually on Social Media(namely snap).

When i meet guys at a bar or party they are asking for my snap or instagram. Not my number.
This is true for most people under the age of 30. The girl i made friends with Saturday night asked me for my Instagram not a phone number.

So no teens and young adults are not being bullied because they use a modern smartphone OS that allows them to use cross platform apps.

Now if you had said Windows Phone users vs Ios/Android, i could definitely tell you i felt left out because i didnt have snap lmao (2013)
We can agree to disagree. I just don't think the narrative was invented completely out of whole cloth.
 
Beeper could have its own third party app store soon 👊
Hopefully apple will take whatever legal recourse they can.


Why don't people just move group messages to Whatsapp if the issues for Android are that significant? Why is it better grant Android users access have to be iMessage?

The Android argument:

"Because American IOS users dont use anything else besides iMessage so they won't download anything else and then they make us feel bad for a color (we dont) and we are left out of group chats"

Not even trying to be rude but who in the heck is doing group chats (Outside of work chats) in 2023? Those are the most annoying things ever lmao.

We have a work chat on telegram.
 
We can agree to disagree. I just don't think the narrative was invented completely out of whole cloth.
Invented? No.

I am sure there are kids who are/were bullied. Is it common now? No. Is it being exaggerated heavily? Yes, indeed.

I am sure there are women who judge men based on what phone they use and the color of a bubble? Just like women who judge men based on heigh or their car? Considering there are 4 billion or so women in the world, I fail to believe that most women care(Newsflash: we dont) what phone you use to text us. We just want you to text us lmao.

Android users use that as an example to try and make an issue when it is not one
 
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Invented? No.

I am sure there are kids who are/were bullied. Is it common now? No. Is it being exaggerated heavily? Yes, indeed.

I am sure there are women who judge men based on what phone they use and the color of a bubble? Just like women who judge men based on heigh or their car? Considering there are 4 billion or so women in the world, I fail to believe that most women care(Newsflash: we dont) what phone you use to text us. We just want you to text us lmao.

Android users use that as an example to try and make an issue when it is not one
On some level, even if this wasn't a big deal to most people, people in tech, and this site, is going to care. 87% market share for one ecosystem among teens is downright existential for the other ecosystem. It won't be economically viable to support other platforms in a generation or so.

I am not surprised companies like Nothing for example are researching reasons, iMessage being one they hit upon looking at their users of their headphones, and looking for ways not to be locked out of the market eventually.
 
Hopefully apple will take whatever legal recourse they can.




The Android argument:

"Because American IOS users dont use anything else besides iMessage so they won't download anything else and then they make us feel bad for a color (we dont) and we are left out of group chats"

Not even trying to be rude but who in the heck is doing group chats (Outside of work chats) in 2023? Those are the most annoying things ever lmao.

We have a work chat on telegram.
I honestly don't know who's that into group chats, but they definitely seem to be huge with a lot of WhatsApp users, especially if they're communicating with others outside of North America. The only group chats I have are with family - and they're all on WhatsApp - but I only brought it up in response to the regular arguments I'm seeing in favour of opening up iMessage specifically because of group chats that include Android users.
 
you must not be reading the same thread.
Even with RCS coming bringing the very same features that iMessage has (And likely more), people still want iMessage to say they have blue texts.

You can look at beeper's subreddit which is dreadfully lame but hilarious to read and see it.

YOU might not care but it really is about the color so they dont feel slighted for being green. People are even mad that when RCS comes that the messages will still be green.
I’ve said this before, but the blue and green bubbles have existed since 2011, and it’s only become a talking point in the last five years.
It also happens that five years ago, RCS began its rollout.
Also between 2011 and 2018, file sizes got bigger, third-party chat apps got better, and SMS was put on the back burner… Except for communications between iPhones and androids.
That’s literally it, that’s the reason.
RCS makes the blue versus green bubble debate almost totally irrelevant again, the same way it was irrelevant between 2011 and 2017.

It is not about the color. The color could be orange, the majority of customers don’t care.
 
I hope that the end game is that Apple finally creates iMessage on Android and also iMessage on Windows.
I want to get rid of WhatsApp. iMessage for Android might give enough people a nudge that I finally can.
I have all apple devices, but also a work laptop that is using Windows. I want to be able to send iMessages from my work laptop, with a real keyboard, rather than sending iMessages from my phone.
 
Yeah, this is a good idea :eek:. Give your apple credentials to a third party, who can then intercept MFA codes, send email in your name, access your payment information, and download your pictures.
 
And I have said it before. They want both RCS and iMessage simply for the color.
I disagree. Some Android users simply don't want to use regular SMS in a market that prefers it because pictures (which people actually do put great value in) are worse off after transit, and videos are pretty much destroyed.

One of my partner's parents sent of video of his nieces and you couldn't tell there were people in it. And no in the moment I'm not about to have a conversation about how they should install WhatsApp.

Is it the end of the world? No. I talk to most of my friends on Messenger and for my iPhone users who won't because its less private or they prefer iMessage because, reasons, I have AirMessage on a Mac Mini I bought for iOS development. Other Android users I am content using SMS because they have RCS. But I never send pictures over standard SMS because I prefer to preserve quality.
 
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I hope that the end game is that Apple finally creates iMessage on Android and also iMessage on Windows.
I want to get rid of WhatsApp. iMessage for Android might give enough people a nudge that I finally can.
I have all apple devices, but also a work laptop that is using Windows. I want to be able to send iMessages from my work laptop, with a real keyboard, rather than sending iMessages from my phone.
You can just use the phone link app. I use it to text from my iPhone and my surface
 
Emulators? Your argument is emulators. WHich 98 percent of the people who use Emulators are actually pirating the games lmao.
On this point: Piracy is hard to argue against when you’re talking about most retro games. If a game isn’t re-released, do you expect people to go out and buy the original hardware, game, and necessary adapters — costing them hundreds of dollars which don’t even go the the copyright holders?
 
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Wow, imagine if the “fastest growing paid iPhone application in history” was “100,000 downloads”…

That's their claim ("From what we can tell..."), anyway:

Beeper Mini launched on Tuesday and rocketed to top 20 of Play Store charts. It was an instant hit. From what we can tell, Beeper Mini was the fastest growing paid Android application launch in history. In the first 48 hours, it was downloaded by more than 100,000 people.

I wonder what the “fastest growing" paid app on iOS was?
 
Beware. Allowing a 3rd party company access to your Apple ID to deliver you iMessages will also allow them access to everything else associated with your Apple ID. These companies will typically keep your Apple ID signed into a server based Mac and although they will claim that iMessages are the only part of your Apple account they will use, you have no guarantee that they are not seeing or harvesting other data from your account, nor can you be guaranteed that this company is keeping that system secure and protected enough from data breaches and hacking the way Apple does.
I'm assuming no iPhone user with any decent amount of intelligence is going to give his or her Apple ID and password to this stupid little company. Why would they?

The only ones giving their Apple ID to them are Android users who most likely created a burner Apple ID specifically for this purpose.
 
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