iMovie '08 Was Originally Called 'First Cut', Ubillos on Final Cut Pro X

[Streamer]

In short, Apple loses a client of 1 who hasn't been able to convert people over from Avid for years and now that FCPX doesn't solve all the world's problems, past, present and future you have to go back to Avid full-time?

And you're going to replace the Mac Pro?

Mail it to me seeing as you can use Windows on it and it would be such a shame to let it go to waste.

You really didn't read my post did you. We're Avid, we're staying Avid for the time being, but because we're feature locked due to Interplay, I had the opportunity to introduce Mac and FCP as a standalone. Don't yet have the Mac Pro.

Incidentally not just a client of 1. We're part of a larger group. Apple was ruled out earlier this year in another station due to the inability to commit to a roadmap and uncertainty of professional/server commitment. Avid/Adobe/Grass Valley(Edius) all shared roadmaps. Apple did not. "Nuff Said"

Seems our concerns at group level may have been correct.

 

[iBattleCat]

I hope you can edit as well as you can WHINE.

This Whining seems pretty childish. How many of you editors can build an editing software from the ground up and then have enough money to market it. Who in the world would install a new version of any editing program halfway through a project and then use the new version to complete that project? No smart editor would do that. They would continue on their path with their proven software and take a test drive on another project starting from scratch with X. And at X's pricepoint, they can use it for projects they deem fit, which might not be what they use FCS3 for. And one day X will be ready to take over for FCS3.

I'm on many FCP, AVID, and ADOBE forums and there is mass whining. I've never ever written on these forums except on MACNN tonight and now MACRUMORS. But I'm fed up with all the Whining.What a bunch of damn spoiled editing snobs. Until you can build your own system out of scratch, stop acting like Santa Claus visited but didn't give you every damn gift on your huge xmas list.

Who else is selling an editing app for $299 that can do what FCPX can, with the speed it can, of course without all the bells and whistles we are accustomed to. The price drop is wonderful and I'm sure the updates will be greatly appreciated. STOP BEING SUCH EDITING SNOBS and use what you have that has been working well, such as FCS3. Some of you are still on FCS 2, so you shouldn't even be complaining because you never saw how great FCS 3 is for yourselves.

You know the saying, sometimes you have to go one step backwards to go two steps forward. I think it will work out very well in the end. Whoever is going to jump ship and go back to AVID, and ADOBE when they already have FCS3, then just GO already and start sending invitations to your going away party. Because you probably have FCS3, that might also mean that you probably weren't very good at FCP 7, so you will use X as a reason to jump ship. I can understand that there are people that just can't be happy with what they own and think the grass is always greener on the other side. Just be happy with 7, when X is ready for your tastes, just move on with a smile on your face.

This thinking and impasse, will leave you as part of the history of editing like all the other old editors who didn't want to move past what they felt comfortable with, and therefore lost their place with being stubborn and not want to adapt and move with the future. They instead want to stay stuck in the past. Yeah it was great that eggcreams used to cost less than 50 cents, and that you could ride a bus for a dime, but we are in the present and moving towards the future. I tip my hats to those who aren't whining and to new editors that will be learning how to edit on FCP X, ready to take each update with a smiling face, and not whine, Whine, WHIINNNEEE. These forums with the whining has shown to me how spoiled some editors have gotten and how unprofessional they can be sometimes. I feel sorry for your children if they handle things the same way.

As we Army folks say, Suck it up and drive on.

Read more: http://www.macnn.com/articles/11/06...sures.video.editors.after.fcpx/#ixzz1QTGQTWhs

 

[Oletros]

How many of you editors can build an editing software from the ground up and then have enough money to market it.

Ah, someone can't complain about something if they can build/make this something? Aahhhh, great argument.

You're an edito, don't you? Because if you aren't, you can't complain about them if we follow your own logic.

 

[Reach]

Nice post from Larry David: http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/1514

His suggestions to Apple:

1. Immediately return Final Cut Studio (3) to the market. If it is not compatible with Lion (and I don’t know whether it is or not) label it so. But put it back on store shelves so consumers have the ability to work with the existing version until FCP X is ready for prime time.

2. Fund the development of a conversion utility – either at Apple or thru a 3rd-party – and announce the development with a tentative release date.

3. Publicly announce a road-map for FCP X that just covers the next 3-4 months. Apple needs to be in damage control mode and the best way to defuse the situation is to communicate. Answering the question: “What features will Apple add to FCP X, and when?” will go a long way to calming people down.

One thing I would like to note here: everyone, the whiners and the fanboys, should be able to agree on these three points.

 

[iBattleCat]

OK. I sort of get what you said.

Ah, someone can't complain about something if they can build/make this something? Aahhhh, great argument.

You're an edito, don't you? Because if you aren't, you can't complain about them if we follow your own logic.

I think their is some disappointment. Even myself included, and yes I'm an editor, but what is the whining doing to help FCP. Is it going to make it faster? If we reach a whining limit of maybe 6000, is a magic button going to appear on the program that suddenly includes all that we are disappointed with?
If you have FCS 3, did FCP X suddenly make the predecessor unusable. I mean c'mon now. Just keep using FCS 3 and move on.

One day X might be all that you want and more. The price point is a wonderful thing. As soon as it can include everything else we want, we should all be happy. But the way it seems, people will probably whine that IT should have been there in the beginning, and that they spent money moving to another software, and yadda yadda yadda.....but instead they can just stay put with what works and make that jump to hyperspace another time.

My fellow servicemembers are all over the world, ready at a moments notice to step up and protect the rights of people like you that are not grateful with what they have and they whine whine whine. If America ever fell like Rome did, I'd like to see you try to convince someone that they should also whine about some editing software. Maybe then, you'll realize it's not that serious and that what you have will suffice. Have a good day.

 

[Flippies]

Avid

How can you say something like, in a year this version will be amazing....Its not that they just started making edit software. What do you think will happen when you update your flame or buy a new version and you can't composite.....yeah, sorry but next year.......
I think Final Crap is over, or what they do is let you buy plugins from the appstore, EDL 0.99, OMF 0.99, Second sequence 0.99 etc. etc. Oooh you want to load from Digi thats expensive 1.99.
Come On, stop complaining BUY AVID....

AVID is made for pro's, FCP is made for your dad.

 

[Michael Scrip]

When people suggest switching to Avid.... what version of Avid are they talking about?

I see Avid Media Composer 5.5... but it's $2300

Is that the suggestion?

 

[Flippies]

When people suggest switching to Avid.... what version of Avid are they talking about?

I see Avid Media Composer 5.5... but it's $2300

Is that the suggestion?

Yes, thats what you should do, download a free trial version and play with it....you will be better of.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

If you have FCS 3, did FCP X suddenly make the predecessor unusable. I mean c'mon now. Just keep using FCS 3 and move on.

This is the part I don't get about the whinning. I mean true pros are not going to jeopardize a project w/ a new version of any s/w anyway until they know what they are dealing with bug and feature-wise. So even if FCPX met pro expectations 100% they still could not use it yet.

I do understand the bellyaching to a point. I felt the same way about OS X 10.0, and iMovie 8. Both of these were far less ready for prime time than FCPX. Eventually, the feature set caught up & new concepts caught on they became pretty solid, even if iMovie '11 is still restricts user creativity too much.

FCPX needs time, but in time it will be better than FCP ever was. But Larry Jordan is right, Apple botched the marketing -- they should have named it something else until all the "pro" features were ready. Too bad so many people see something different & closed-mindedly dismiss it.

 

[Oletros]

I'm not judging if FCPX is better o no than FCP7, if you can use the older version or no. I was answering to an argument that said that tou can't complain about FCPX if you haven't build an EDL program.

My fellow servicemembers are all over the world, ready at a moments notice to step up and protect the rights of people like you that are not grateful with what they have and they whine whine whine. If America ever fell like Rome did, I'd like to see you try to convince someone that they should also whine about some editing software. Maybe then, you'll realize it's not that serious and that what you have will suffice. Have a good day.

Mmm, who are you to say that I'm not graceful with what I have?

 

[TechKnow]

This Whining seems pretty childish. How many of you editors can build an editing software from the ground up and then have enough money to market it.

Another ridiculous argument. I drive a car everyday. I cannot build one from scratch, but that does not mean I don't have the write to voice my opinion when one is introduced from a car manufacturer.

Which is the perfect analogy for this thread. There are many on this thread that are like pickup truck drivers. They need to haul small amounts of goods back to back and the pickup is more than enough for them, so they don't see what the big issue is. Then there are the over the road truckers who need to move large parcels from point A to B. The pickup drivers keep arguing, "Sure the new truck is smaller and carries less, but that is what the future looks like." and the over the road drivers saying "But means two trips which will cost me twice as much time and money"

FCPX is not ready for Prime Time if you will pardon the pun. This is not just a whinning session, Apple has spent a great deal of time and money trying to convince large production companies and finishing houses to convert to FCP. They have called soliciting and pushing the upgrades with promises of support on the level of Avid. That is why this is such a disappointment.

Sorry if you casual editors don't get it. And as far as Apple bashing, I am posting from my iPad. I love my iPhone 4 (never had a antennae problem). I am running Snow Leopard on two of my systems, and have been a Mac user and technician since Motorola made the processor.

FCPX is not the problem. The problem is the way it was introduced with the end of life of the previous product happening immediately after Apple courted the production community for so many year to switch to FCP.

 

[champ01]

Who else is selling an editing app for $299 that can do what FCPX can, with the speed it can, of course without all the bells and whistles we are accustomed to. The price drop is wonderful and I'm sure the updates will be greatly appreciated. STOP BEING SUCH EDITING SNOBS and use what you have that has been working well, such as FCS3. Some of you are still on FCS 2, so you shouldn't even be complaining because you never saw how great FCS 3 is for yourselves.

I and many many others really DON'T GIVE A ..... ABOUT THE COST.
Make the application useful, meaningful and push updates as fast as possible thats all professionals ask for.

Also I personally don't care if it looks like iMovie as long we can use it in a professional workflow which is not possible. (btw I like iMovie as a consumer product)

We're talking here about BIG MONEY, BIG INVESTMENTS not small editors who make a youtube video. (not that they don't make great video's thats not my point)

So yeah we are whining..... because it sucks.
Apple shouldn't have released this FCX yet because it was clearly not finished.
And if Apple says it is than the pro's know to look at other companies who make great software and really do listen to the needs they have.

There's a big difference between consumers, prosumers and professionals.


Btw there's also a big difference in bugs and very important features missing.
And to all the people saying "this is just FCX version1.0" Are you freaking kiddin me!!!

 

[subsonix]

I and many many others really DON'T GIVE A ..... ABOUT THE COST.
Make the application useful and meaningful thats all THE PRO'S ask for.

Couldn't you just pretend that it's 2010, and wait until next year (when FCP X is released) to update.

Edit: To clarify, the point is that Apple should wait to release? Why don't you wait instead then, I thought the consensus was to not update mission critical systems to a .0 release anyway.

 

[paulvee]

1. I make films. Any time that's spent doing something unnecessary is wasted time for me. Life is short. If I were to stay with Final Cut, which I have been with since Version 2.0, I now would have to waste time learning new terminology, techniques, interface, etc. In effect, my investment of time - that most precious of commodities - for the past 10 years, has been wasted by Apple.

2. Important features are gone now. Again, thanks Apple, whom I have defended through thick and thin for many years, for unilaterally overhauling everything. And please don't compare this to the introduction of OSX. We all knew that OS9 was a dog and needed to go, and we all braced ourselves willingly while there was a long, thoroughly-planned transition. At the same time, Apple went to great lengths to ensure that old apps would be compatible. Many of us dual-booted for a long time, as well.

3. The two above complaints I could even deal with, biting the bullet and spending the time to learn the new program, etc. The ONE UNFORGIVABLE CHANGE, though, is the inability to import old FCP projects. Am I supposed to throw out over ten years worth of work, including 5 feature films? Am I supposed to maintain a machine with FC7 forever so that I can work on this stuff? Is Apple completely oblivious to the way people and companies work in real life with their assets? Calling it "legacy" is an insult. This is my life and my work. If Adobe suddenly said I could no longer open .psd files, I'd feel the same way.

Unless there is some immediate word that my old projects will no longer be useless going forward with FCPX, I'll plan on moving to Premiere Pro. I don't want to, but I will. I'm in the middle of a long feature now, at least another year of editing to go, and you know what? The idea of continuing with a dead app is a real drag. I may have to, but it would be a bitter pill and that would be the last Apple pro app I'd ever buy.

 

[bigjohn]

Well, considering Apple has completely removed any ability for someone to buy FCP7...

I mean sure, you could use Avid, but many many people already have everything set up for FCP. Apple is really screwing over a lot of people here with their raging hard-on for iOS devices.

How could many people already have everything set up for FCP and not already bought FCP7?

 

[AppleFan360]

For those who haven't seen this yet, here is a really good review from and industry professional and pretty much covers the pros and cons of FCPX:

http://www.macworld.com/article/160713/2011/06/fcpxrev.html

 

[TechKnow]

How could many people already have everything set up for FCP and not already bought FCP7?

Your still missing the idea of a multi-seat shop. When larger projects come in, it is common to add another workstation or more and buy additional software to add an editor to a project. So the idea is that all of the workflow if set for FCP, but there is now no ability to expand that workgroup.

 

[bigjohn]

But it doesn't handle the racks and racks of digibeta, betasp, etc, etc. at the existing facilities.

Is it wrong of me to think that maybe they're looking for a 3rd party to address these legacy issues? Could a plugin or secondary application handle the chore? I haven't used tape for a project in 3 years and when I did, I had to rent the decks.

 

[shiseiryu1]

IMHO....FCPX isn't that bad guys

I've been messing with FCPX recently and I think it's pretty good. It's no where near as clunky as Adobe Premiere CS5. Also, a lot of "typical tasks" are a lot easier in FCP...such as syncing multiple clips from different cameras. It's literally just a click or two to accomplish.

It may be missing some features (most of which I don't care about anyways because I'm not doing feature films)...however I think it's only a matter of time before those features are added back in. However, I think the foundation of the software is very slick. I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with it in the future. For now though, I'm glad to be rid of Premiere.

 

[Flippies]

Return fcp x

For all you people that got ripped by Apple, you are able to return FCP X,
please do, give them back there useless peace of playmobile edit crab.
You can return it at the App store i believe, don't no for sure because i didnt buy it.......HAHAHAHAHA but you can return it.

Get back the money and invest in something good.......or work in 7.

 

[*LTD*]

All the editors or "Pros" who are unhappy and angry. Please adapt or leave.

All the fresh faces that are just getting into the business, your new tools are here. Enjoy.

The market in question is small enough that from a business perspective it can be recycled easily, once every generation.

 

[Reach]

For those who haven't seen this yet, here is a really good review from and industry professional and pretty much covers the pros and cons of FCPX:

http://www.macworld.com/article/160713/2011/06/fcpxrev.html

Nice review, thank you. I appreciate the balanced approach! Refreshing to have some people not jump into the ditches...

 

[Crank Pictures]

Communication

Communication seems to be the biggest problem with Apple regardless of which software or hardware we're talking about. I bought the thing early on day one and only found out after paying and installing on my MacBook Pro that it would not go on my Mac Pro until I spent another £200 on a graphics card. (There was no GPU limitations page up at that time as far as I'm aware) This I did as I still did not know at that point the limitations of the software. The reason being that Apple made no announcement of the missing features and have said little since. To accept as official news from Apple on anything it is no good it coming from a third party. When Aperture was so low in the dumps that people were up in arms, the dev team came forward and apologised to the community of users and promised to fix things asap officially. It took ages for them to announce this still but at least it happened. However that announcement was only made because of the uproar. It should never need to come to this if you run a professional company regardless of its size or complexity. Apple behave like children with playground secrets when they should respect the fact that a great many people have invested thousands in equipment with them and need to know that wasn't a mistake. They need to know that what's being marketed isn't a half truth and that they can still go forward with a given map of there own. There should be a Pro User Dept from Apple like there is with Nikon, Canon and other companies that bridge the two areas of Pro & Amateur with their product lines.
I am a Nikon Pro User and get a fantastic service unavailable to amateurs as my needs are different. In product usage with other companies I'm most definitely an amateur and expect that standard service. We should have pro accounts and pro service levels and support. Trade discounts and real road map information. Marketing doesn't matter to pro's, results do. Apple need to tell people what's going on before it hits the fan. That's the Professional thing to do. Hiding until it gets ugly is Amateurish.

 

[SkyStudios]

In short, Apple loses a client of 1 who hasn't been able to convert people over from Avid for years and now that FCPX doesn't solve all the world's problems, past, present and future you have to go back to Avid full-time?

And you're going to replace the Mac Pro?

Mail it to me seeing as you can use Windows on it and it would be such a shame to let it go to waste.

i hear you brotha, gotta do what you gotta do, when money is not as important as work flow its time to go back to windows or whatever works, the pain is learning something else all over again to do the job, FCPX was the biggest BS since the apple lawsuit over abuse of spying, you remember a few months ago, oooh its a big year for FCP users, ooohh, welcome to iMovie Pro_.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Spin/Damage Control?

Looking at all the thumbs up recommendations (especially on first few page) for "pro Apple" arguments is HIGHLY suspicious.

One has to wonder if Apple told its folks to go out and "fight" the dissent on the blogs.

Regardless, Apple DID blow this release but will never admit it. I hope in time they can appease the people who use FCP for a living...before they leave altogether. Or maybe....they no longer care.