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iMovie '08 Was Originally Called 'First Cut', Ubillos on Final Cut Pro X
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OMG, can we stop already?
First, It's not like FCS3 fell off the face of the earth. It's still totally possible for those whom need to add a FCP7 license to get it. They'll find a way to make it work.
Secondly, anyone that thinks it's going to take Apple a year to add just about everything to FCPX before it reaches almost feature-parity is just lying to themselves. 6-9 months tops. I don't think it will be exactly feature-parity but will have just about everything people are looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if the first update hits this week.
Thirdly, stop asking for FCP7 import. It's not going to happen and in two years you won't care. If you need to make changes to a project I'm FCP7, you're just going to have to be a man and rebuild it in FCPX, open FCP7 back up or do what I plan on doing and simply capture your completed sequence in to FCPX and make your changes to it.
Or switch to Media Composer (or Newscutter, if that's your thing), Premeire or Edius.
We're all going to have a really great laugh about this next summer.
First, It's not like FCS3 fell off the face of the earth. It's still totally possible for those whom need to add a FCP7 license to get it. They'll find a way to make it work.
Secondly, anyone that thinks it's going to take Apple a year to add just about everything to FCPX before it reaches almost feature-parity is just lying to themselves. 6-9 months tops. I don't think it will be exactly feature-parity but will have just about everything people are looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if the first update hits this week.
Thirdly, stop asking for FCP7 import. It's not going to happen and in two years you won't care. If you need to make changes to a project I'm FCP7, you're just going to have to be a man and rebuild it in FCPX, open FCP7 back up or do what I plan on doing and simply capture your completed sequence in to FCPX and make your changes to it.
Or switch to Media Composer (or Newscutter, if that's your thing), Premeire or Edius.
We're all going to have a really great laugh about this next summer.
i think it's b/c you can't buy just a license for FCP7. You need a seperate install and for working on the same network, you can't use the same license on more than 1 machine.
So, any shops waiting for the announcement to implement another FCP editing suite are essentially screwed (unless they find a copy somewhere).
Not a consumer discussion
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TBH the amount of ignorance from the people on this board has reached a level of hilarity. As a consumer centered board most people commenting on FCP X have no idea why Pros are so angry. The whole idea of consumers yelling deal with it the interface is different is just silly. They just don't understand why these features matter to the pros, and until then, they shouldn't bother wasting their time commenting on it.
If I hear another person say you can live without tape, I will choke myself. It's like the crowd at a Nascar event trying to tell the driver when to change his tires, they have no clue.
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TBH the amount of ignorance from the people on this board has reached a level of hilarity. As a consumer centered board most people commenting on FCP X have no idea why Pros are so angry. The whole idea of consumers yelling deal with it the interface is different is just silly. They just don't understand why these features matter to the pros, and until then, they shouldn't bother wasting their time commenting on it.
If I hear another person say you can live without tape, I will choke myself. It's like the crowd at a Nascar event trying to tell the driver when to change his tires, they have no clue.
So basically this thread appears to be divided into three camps:
1. The people who actually work in the industry, have a clue, and generally hate the new software.
2. The skinny jeans and pabst blue ribbon hipster crew who just want to edit their fixed gear bike videos and don't have a problem with the software because they don't have jobs and their time is worth nothing anyway.
3. The Apple-can-do-no-wrong contingent, who have managed to drag themselves out of the primordial ooze and while not yet being in the middle of the bell curve, let alone the right side, have managed to figure out how to use internet forums, much to the consternation of everyone else.
All the actual Apple Stores pulled their copies, and three quarters of Apple's customers apparently forget you can get things faster and cheaper through third-party resellers more often than not.
1. The people who actually work in the industry, have a clue, and generally hate the new software.
2. The skinny jeans and pabst blue ribbon hipster crew who just want to edit their fixed gear bike videos and don't have a problem with the software because they don't have jobs and their time is worth nothing anyway.
3. The Apple-can-do-no-wrong contingent, who have managed to drag themselves out of the primordial ooze and while not yet being in the middle of the bell curve, let alone the right side, have managed to figure out how to use internet forums, much to the consternation of everyone else.
All the actual Apple Stores pulled their copies, and three quarters of Apple's customers apparently forget you can get things faster and cheaper through third-party resellers more often than not.
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wow.
how ironic that your post is belligerent in its own way.
for the record, I'm not a 'pro' editor and I work by myself, but I can easily see how the currently missing features so talked about would really screw up anyone working in a team. To simply diss them as 'whining' is belligerent. For the record, I'm been amazed at how some editors, who have invested years and plenty of money in Apple editing, are suddenly willing to jump ship so fast, but that is another topic (Ie. if fCP7 is currently working, then hang on to see if Apple responds to the criticisms).
So yes, for some shops, FCX will stop or slow down their revenue stream. Why? Well because some of those key missing features severely hamper their workflow. Anyone in business, especially this one, knows that time is money and the more time wasted on workarounds, is money lost. It's not about learning a new workflow - it's about learning a new workflow without features that you need in a team environment.
...."What we are seeing here with these self acclaimed video professionals is the inability to think different."
I know one NLE and that's FCP7, but to say that 'self acclaimed video pros can't think differently' is idiotic. Most of those folks know more than just 1 and they've been in this business long enough to have used several. They can definitely think different and in fact, I think to be a pro editor, you need to be creative quite often.
I find myself sucked into checking out all the forums on FCX as well b/c I haven't bought FCX....yet. FCP7 is working for me although I can see how the new version / product could help me.
But if you can't hack people being concerned, maybe you should lay off reading the posts?
It's a free world....they are allowed to be concerned about a tool in which they've invested plenty of time and resources.Cheers,
Keebler
Aside from Apple stores, I heard most resellers were being told to return copies as well. I might call the local stores here to see what they are being told (if anything).
Perhaps you should check the Microsoft site - it says that XP SP3 is supported to 8 April 2014.
I work in Final cut 7 everyday and have messed with final cut x a bit. I have to honestly say Its just imove on "crack".
Apple dropped the ball on this one. They should have waited (they say updates are coming) until the product was ready as a REAL FCP 7 replacement and released it then. Or sold it as iMovie Pro for iMovie users looking for an upgrade. It seems Apple is rushing everything out the door lately.
I won't go into the app store only purchase as I've voice my opinion in another thread
Apple dropped the ball on this one. They should have waited (they say updates are coming) until the product was ready as a REAL FCP 7 replacement and released it then. Or sold it as iMovie Pro for iMovie users looking for an upgrade. It seems Apple is rushing everything out the door lately.
I won't go into the app store only purchase as I've voice my opinion in another thread
I still meet people that want me to install XP on their Windows 7 machines.
We're still running xp at work :-(
Though our IT dept now supports ipads and iphones.
We have Windows 7 at one site to test later deployment. We even hired a temporary admin for that site.
I applied to a higher level IT specialist position but all they wanted some was a Group Policies expert and excessive Windows 7 experience. (DeepFreeze and WindowsSteadyState need no apply.) They were not too happy with the current applicants (They have advertised this position 4 times now. The temporary admin, while with much more expertise than myself, did not appear to meet the requirements either.) To be honest, they are not going to get that for the pay they are offering. They should grow someone in-house in my opinion. Anyone from the outside is going to be desperate and grab the job only to run for higher pay ASAP.
Still it was nice to hear through the grape vine after my interview that they would rather have me than some of the other IT people they have hired recently. I will keep trying. I at least have Chrome on my locked down workstation.
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I still meet people that want me to install XP on their Windows 7 machines.
Somebody asked me yesterday if I could help him find somebody to install a 60L petrol tank on his Leaf.
Luddites are out there, you just have to ignore them.
Careful, I like to order books that are printed on paper from the library for free. That also extends to the many hours of TV box sets on DVDs that I got for free as well.Somebody asked me yesterday if I could help him find somebody to install a 60L petrol tank on his Leaf.
Luddites are out there, you just have to ignore them.
From what I understand, Apple has a very small (comparably) in-house group of highly skilled programmers that are constantly working together on different projects. Many of the same programmers that work on OSX also work on iOS. Apple is able to maintain a tight grip on usability because of their smaller team, but in return can't always work on as many projects as more split companies (like Microsoft). Clearly Apple has shareholders in mind, so they aren't working on their pro apps much because they don't generate the revenue that iOS, Mac OS, and iLife create.
So in exchange for entering markets (home theater and cellular), they might also exit some. The only reason I can see Apple hanging on to their pro apps is to fight against Adobe's ideas for media compression standards. If Apple controls the tools that content creators use, they can force the adoption of standards that benefit themselves.
As others have already said, if you have an increase in work and you need to hire a new person, then you need to set them up with their own workstation, which means you need to be able to buy a new seat of whatever software you're using. This is true in just about any business that relies on software.
Now, IMO, Apple should approach this much the way they ended up approaching the transition to the new iMovie. For some period of time, say one year, any purchased license of FCPX would include the option to download a copy of FCP7. This would quiet those who need the continued use of features that haven't migrated into FCPX, through the use if FCP7. Plus it would allow people to start training on FCPX while they are waiting for the development to reach the point where it has all the features that they need.
Sure - I can do that. I have a huge project containing about 50 product demonstration videos. They are update them semi regularly to account for price changes etc. All multi-cam. Was bout 2 months post originally, and that was when I could cut using multi cam.
Now, I don't see why the existing client should pay for 2 months work just to get them back at the spot where they are now, so can I send you the bill, or Apple - or should I just suck it and stop doing any work for anyone for two months while I get the one project 'up to date'?
I understand people are sick of the complaining, but I'm sick of people who don't have a clue complaining about people complaining - stop reading if it annoys you, but if people don't vent these problems Apple might just get away with this and think they are doing all-right.
I agree it looks like a great editing environment, and I was looking forward to it, but until it supports professional tools its not worth my time, and I can't make business decisions based on it.
I don't care if every man and his dog can now afford to buy it and call themselves an editor. History has shown that when these tools are more widely available it just raises general awareness of what can be done, and those who are good will still get the work.
My responsibility to my clients is not know all the little bells and whistles in software - it is to be creative in how I assemble a video, and be fast.
The first you either have or you don't, and no software in the world is going to make you more creative than you already are. The second is impacted by the software, and at the moment FCPX will not be faster for my work than FCP7, and it has nothing to do with having to learn a new interface, that is trivial, it has to do with it not having the tools.
So, Apple have released a Pro tool that for most Pro users will make them slower - and you cannot go to a client who is used to you turning a project around in 2 weeks and tell it will now take 3 because I have upgraded to the latest version of the software.
To people saying 'but FCP7 still works, just keep using that' yes it does, and I will, but that is not a professional solution for larger production houses. I sometimes work at a facility which has about 30 suites hanging off a massive XSAN (100TB). Producers often do rough cuts on their laptops before bringing them in to be on-lined and finished. If a new producer starts working there today and does not already have FCP7 then I guess they are SOL? Very professional.
If they need to add new suites to ramp up for a new show they cannot get new FCP7 seats, and there is no way on this earth that they can use FCPX for any serious production. If you don't understand why that is the case then no amount of explaining will help, because it will sound like a professional being scared of change and trying to keep the current production workflows in place.
So, you're not a professional - this means the conversation is NOT about you. Nice try though.
which is... pushing forward.
I was just trying to say there is a reason why we don't push forward on everything (ie how you edit.) Its that that'll lose customers.
I didnt use the old FCP and im never going to use the new one, yet I dont understand the frustration that comes with a change in the user interface. Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft and Apple all change the UI of their software now and then. This is why at the place I work we have Adobe CS2, CS3, CS4 and CS5 on every machine, I use CS4 while most of my colleagues use 3 and some use 5. In my case there aren't drastic changes between versions, but my point is that you dont have to conform just because new software is released.
To the pros: suck it up and install FCPX along side the old version if you intend to move on at some point. No one is forcing you to go into work the next day and use an all new program. You certainly lose money in the transition because things take longer while you are learning, but transitioning at your own pace makes things much easier. If you aren't a pro, it shouldn't matter much to you because you don't need to upgrade as fast and you wont lose money on trying to learn something new...
To the pros: suck it up and install FCPX along side the old version if you intend to move on at some point. No one is forcing you to go into work the next day and use an all new program. You certainly lose money in the transition because things take longer while you are learning, but transitioning at your own pace makes things much easier. If you aren't a pro, it shouldn't matter much to you because you don't need to upgrade as fast and you wont lose money on trying to learn something new...
All I can say is get to crack in because even for $299 this is no way near what I expected. Another slap in the face to go with iphoto 11
In two years you could have a revisit cut needed from an older FC7 project. How will you import that? And even if you could you're only option would be to play it back out to tape, so no consolidated sequence with edit points.
How would you propose export a FC7 project to Avid MC? If difficult if impossible to do that right now!
Thats the reason for the argument, the programme has been changed, so it A) doesn't do what it use to, and B) there is no older project support.
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The issues aren't due to changes in user interface. It's loss of functionality. There's no way (regardless of interface) to do things that used to be possible, and apparently these things are must-have things for professionals who use the software.
I still meet people that want me to install XP on their Windows 7 machines.
To be fair, in many professional environments, XP still has its uses.
At work, some of us have OS X-based workstations and run XP virtual machines since they're typically more responsive than Vista or 7-based VMs. Plus for a lot of your Windows support applications, XP is perfectly adequate.