India May Exempt Apple From Sourcing Requirement For 'Two to Three Years'

[name99]

3 years seems like a reasonable timeframe to change things from Apples side.

Only if India is capable of creating what Apple needs at a reasonable price. This is not certain. There are two issues:

(a) Will the Indian government accept software/intangible value creation as acceptable for this accounting? Maybe they will, maybe they won't, depending on whether their goal is "modernize the country" versus "employ lots of people in manufacturing".

(b) Remember when Apple talked about why they don't manufacture in the US, they made a big deal about the networks of people and suppliers that were so easily accessible in China but not in the US. The same arguments holds, only worse, in India. Not only do you not have those networks, but you have vastly inferior infrastructure, starting with basics like transport and electricity, compared to the US.

Point is, India is not such a marvelous and profitable growth opportunity that Apple is going to lose money to stay in the market. My guess is if the Indian government keeps pushing this (and is not willing to be flexible on my point [a]) Apple will walk rather than continue. India is not China, either in the value of the market, or in the value offered to a manufacturer, and trying to legislate it so will not change that.

 

[Tech198]

I suppose, when you're as big as Apple, rules can be bent...

so can phones apparently...

Makes sense. Manufacturing in India is cheap, but Apple is already set up in China.

Guess Apple wants to cut more costs.... Can't blame them... when u see a company go all out with their "spaceship" campus 2 and all other highly-looking stores.... if quality starts to suffer as a result,, it won't surprise me neither as to why that is.

 

[groovyd]

India is all about 'backsheesh' and apparently Apple isn't providing that

 

[steve333]

>As a rule, 30 percent of goods sold by foreign companies must be manufactured or produced in the country, a requirement Apple does not meet as its products are largely made in China.<

As American as Apple Pie.
Sickening

 

[Laserducky]

I am not saying there is a lack of wealthy people in India. I am saying there are a LOT of poor people that will turn to whatever it takes to be like the rich people. Since a large majority of them come here to earn money to BUY wives back in India....there is a certain mentality the will cause major issues in that country...just like China. My job causes me to interact with a lot of Indian people working temporaraly here of varying regions and classes....I know a lot more about the culture over there than most Americans.

Buying wives ... LOL. While its true that for most Indians, especially in the IT sector, the US is 'The' place to land up in and/or settle down permanently. But I'm sure that 'buying' wives is probably not true for the majority of them.

 

[Cineplex]

Buying wives ... LOL. While its true that for most Indians, especially in the IT sector, the US is 'The' place to land up in and/or settle down permanently. But I'm sure that 'buying' wives is probably not true for the majority of them.

It is a regional thing (dont remember if its north, south, east, or west), but it is a thing. A very very common thing. Its basically arranged marrige where the future husband has to pay the family a large sum of money to marry the girl. She has no say in it. A lot of single Indian females that come here are here to avoid it. Its a cultural thing that most will not talk about or tell you unless they have to.

 

[etios]

It is a regional thing (dont remember if its north, south, east, or west), but it is a thing. A very very common thing. Its basically arranged marrige where the future husband has to pay the family a large sum of money to marry the girl. She has no say in it. A lot of single Indian females that come here are here to avoid it. Its a cultural thing that most will not talk about or tell you unless they have to.

Stop with your racist, bigoted rants against Indians. I am an Indian living in India and never seen anyone doing that and you say it is a very very common thing and unlike you i have actually lived and travelled across the India.

Your bigoted rants do sound very similar to one of my friend who works for one of the biggest USA car company, wont reveal the company or the senior position held by him on a public forum for obvious reasons but this is what he had to say about Americans and American culture:

"I know someone who has 3 kids from 3 guys, was not married to anyone and is single. Every other evening she has "guests" at her place. And this is not an exception, this mentality is quite common here, which I personally do not like. I don't mind if my daughter dates someone, but I won't like it if she dates a new guy every 3 months.. Do you understand what I'm referring to ? These are some of the few things which keeps on bugging me."

It is quite refreshing to see that bigots come from throughout the world and proudly spout their drivel, both of you may have different skin colour, religion etc but the cheap mentality, racism and xenophobia shines through as the uniting factor between you two bigots.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I couldn't be bothered to read your whole soap box comment.
But I did want to just point out to you that 'services' includes banking, and I don't know anyone in banking being paid minimum wage! Not in the UK at least.

I couldn't be bothered to read your pointless reply. I would just like to point out that posting replies to ones you don't read seems rather odd to me.

Protectionist garbage. Attempting to limit their countrymen's choices because the government wants a fat cut.

Wanting citizens to buy products that don't benefit their economy seems like the manufacturers want a "fat cut". SOMEONE always wants a "fat cut" and that's the whole point. If you want a country to take your imports so YOU profit, why shouldn't they expect something in return??? Oh yes, I forgot. The USA believes that the apparent key to economic success is in holding HUGE trade DEFICITS. No wonder the Middle Class is disappearing. My point about robotic automation replacing MOST jobs in the next 50-100 years is that the ONLY people that get that "fat cut" are the owners. Everyone else? Frack 'em, right?

There's a point in the development of civilization where they say many societies destroy themselves. Most have assumed it would be from war with nuclear weapons and this is why we have such a hard time finding any kind of signals out in space. My point is simply that we can destroy ourselves any number of ways with technology, from creating massive deaths through no jobs by future automation, reducing populations to incredibly low numbers and then plague could finish us off. Throw in the Sci-Fi Artificial Intelligences decide we humans aren't worth it (ala Terminator) and you don't need any nukes, really.

So many at the top echelons of society are so busy finding new ways to swindle people out of their money, they don't actually believe anything will change in life. Of course, most people probably wouldn't choose to starve in a dystopian future without a fight and the model of the French Revolution should always be in the back of the minds of the rich and autocratic in general. Society, of course, would likely move backwards technologically, so perhaps it's difficult to get to any type of Star Trek future due to simple human greed. As long as I got mine, FRACK EVERYONE ELSE!

 

[SmileyBlast!]

Did no one notice this burn?
"Ministry of finance, which decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge technology category."
"Apple your tech is getting old"
- India M.O.F

 

[Fancuku]

I suppose, when you're as big as Apple, rules can be bent...

 

[Cineplex]

Stop with your racist, bigoted rants against Indians. I am an Indian living in India and never seen anyone doing that and you say it is a very very common thing and unlike you i have actually lived and travelled across the India.

Your bigoted rants do sound very similar to one of my friend who works for one of the biggest USA car company, wont reveal the company or the senior position held by him on a public forum for obvious reasons but this is what he had to say about Americans and American culture:

"I know someone who has 3 kids from 3 guys, was not married to anyone and is single. Every other evening she has "guests" at her place. And this is not an exception, this mentality is quite common here, which I personally do not like. I don't mind if my daughter dates someone, but I won't like it if she dates a new guy every 3 months.. Do you understand what I'm referring to ? These are some of the few things which keeps on bugging me."

It is quite refreshing to see that bigots come from throughout the world and proudly spout their drivel, both of you may have different skin colour, religion etc but the cheap mentality, racism and xenophobia shines through as the uniting factor between you two bigots.

Your friend is right, though! Americans have the those issues and I can say that what he describes is slowly becoming the norm. I know 4 people myself that fit his description!!! FOUR! Just because you don't want to believe its true does not make it any less true.

And for the record, I never said I didn't like Indians or anything....I have a few people I work with that are Indian (actally from India recently moved here)and they are the ones that clued me into this crap a few years ago. Don't get mad at me because your upset by the truth.

 

[etios]

Your friend is right, though! Americans have the those issues and I can say that what he describes is slowly becoming the norm. I know 4 people myself that fit his description!!! FOUR! Just because you don't want to believe its true does not make it any less true.

And for the record, I never said I didn't like Indians or anything....I have a few people I work with that are Indian (actally from India recently moved here)and they are the ones that clued me into this crap a few years ago. Don't get mad at me because your upset by the truth.

The racists in America often use the term " I have a black friend I'm not racist" . Fits the bill perfectly here. And No, I am not getting any truth about India from a bigoted, racist person sitting in USA.

 

[Cineplex]

The racists in America often use the term " I have a black friend I'm not racist" . Fits the bill perfectly here. And No, I am not getting any truth about India from a bigoted, racist person sitting in USA.

That is a racist statement!

The truth is out there.

 

[Victor Mortimer]

I'm amazed at how many people think that's "reasonable" to require 30% of the goods made locally. If it's reasonable, then let the USA require all stores in the USA have 30% of their goods made here.

With the rest of that blather deleted, that is an excellent idea.

We've let far too much manufacturing go to other countries. The only thing Apple makes here is the Mac Pro, and they don't sell all that many of those. Let them move some iMac or MacBook Pro production back to the US.

One reason I bought my current car is that it was made in Michigan, by Americans, at a union auto plant. I wish I had that option for the MacBook Pro I'm using now, but it was made in China.

If retail stores had to have 30% US content we would see a lot more jobs stay in the US.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

With the rest of that blather deleted, that is an excellent idea.

It's called protectionism by those that oppose it (I call it FAIR trade rather than FREE trade) and they argue it will destroy the Earth through "Trade Wars" (an upcoming movie by Scaredycat Studios) if we ever implement a tariff on something again. When China does it, the same critics are quiet. In other words, everyone else is allowed to use tariffs and monetary manipulations (even when they're supposed to be keeping to their end of the bargain in trade agreements), except the USA since we're "Privileged" and need to be brought down several pegs until we're in the same dirty pool as everyone else.

Sadly, with the rest of 'that blather deleted,' I found your post empty so I can't respond (shrug).

 

[Victor Mortimer]

It's called protectionism by at least some of us who support it too. Protecting our own interests is NOT inherently a bad thing. Sure, it's a bad thing when we use imperialist tactics, but that's not what reasonable tariffs and local content requirements are.

I'm perfectly OK with India doing it. I just have no qualms about the US doing exactly the same thing.