Why doesn’t the U.S. do this. Make the selling of iPhones dependent on X% manufacturing here.
It would never survive a challenge in the courts for one. Secondly, it cannot be done in an economically feasible manner. I've tried to do simple plastic parts here in the US (and in MX for that matter) that were 5x+ the cost of doing them in China, Malaysia or India. And the machines and molds for said parts were all from China. Even taking into account the shipping, lead times, additional cost of carrying more inventory as well as the tariffs, it was still vastly cheaper to do it in Asia.Why doesn’t the U.S. do this. Make the selling of iPhones dependent on X% manufacturing here.
How absurd the world stage is becoming, with the EU constantly henpecking Apple over their own software & hardware integration, and now INDONESIA basically saying no one can sell phones to their citizens if they aren't 40% "domestic content", whatever that means. This blatant extortion serves only to prop up the governments of these areas and actually creates worse conditions for their citizens. It's time the NWO model is put in check, the state's function is to build infrastructure and enforce local criminal law, not extort foreign businesses. I'm not sorry that there are now technology corporations with more power than the governments of the world, but as long as those companies empower the people that is how it should be.
As a European I think a lot of what's happening is not at all what the actual EU market ever asked for. I am all for market regulators checking companies from time to time, ensuring fair competition because it never ends well otherwise. But I'm most certainly stuck between 'I don't want the EU dictating what the iPhone looks and acts like' and 'Apple has proven time and time again that they stand for anti-consumer practices and will sell devices with well-known and documented hardware defects while still being anti-repair so I'm not going to oppose any of it'.That's your philosophy or the philosophy you agree with that's norm in your country. People from the other side of the world may not always agree with you or they can have totally different idea of what a government can or cannot do and turned it into a norm for them.
Every country is entitled to decide what laws they have and how they act with local and foreign businesses. If you were Apple, the only option for you would be either suck it up and do what they tell you or leave business entirely.
(Note: I am not Indonesian)
Indonesia has an annual median income below $9,000. Most people in Indonesia who own an iPhone can't really afford it. They should not waste their money.
But, the USA needs to finally start again, somewhere and at some point if there's any hope left of us manufacturing much of anything. The more time that keeps slipping by, the more likely these shifts in manufacturing become permanent, once and for all.It would never survive a challenge in the courts for one. Secondly, it cannot be done in an economically feasible manner. I've tried to do simple plastic parts here in the US (and in MX for that matter) that were 5x+ the cost of doing them in China, Malaysia or India. And the machines and molds for said parts were all from China. Even taking into account the shipping, lead times, additional cost of carrying more inventory as well as the tariffs, it was still vastly cheaper to do it in Asia.
But what you fail to mention is that in most countries "the people" have no say in these laws and regulations. They have zero ability to decide anything. Just try criticizing the government or speaking out. They are used to prop up governments, enrich special interests and steer economic gain to a privileged few.That's your philosophy or the philosophy you agree with that's norm in your country. People from the other side of the world may not always agree with you or they can have totally different idea of what a government can or cannot do and turned it into a norm for them.
Every country is entitled to decide what laws they have and how they act with local and foreign businesses. If you were Apple, the only option for you would be either suck it up and do what they tell you or leave business entirely.
(Note: I am not Indonesian)
You really don`t have the slightest idea, have you. Getting even slightly upset over this is odd.How absurd the world stage is becoming, with the EU constantly henpecking Apple over their own software & hardware integration, and now INDONESIA basically saying no one can sell phones to their citizens if they aren't 40% "domestic content", whatever that means. This blatant extortion serves only to prop up the governments of these areas and actually creates worse conditions for their citizens. It's time the NWO model is put in check, the state's function is to build infrastructure and enforce local criminal law, not extort foreign businesses. I'm not sorry that there are now technology corporations with more power than the governments of the world, but as long as those companies empower the people that is how it should be.
It might, just MIGHT, be seen as an insult$10 million is enough to build a factory these days? Granted, that's obviously a fortune on a personal level but is pocket lint for Apple.
Regardless, Apple needs to diversity some of its manufacturing out of China so this is good--though small scale.
How absurd the world stage is becoming, with the EU constantly henpecking Apple over their own software & hardware integration, and now INDONESIA basically saying no one can sell phones to their citizens if they aren't 40% "domestic content", whatever that means. This blatant extortion serves only to prop up the governments of these areas and actually creates worse conditions for their citizens. It's time the NWO model is put in check, the state's function is to build infrastructure and enforce local criminal law, not extort foreign businesses. I'm not sorry that there are now technology corporations with more power than the governments of the world, but as long as those companies empower the people that is how it should be.
The states primary function actually is the security and protection of the state. And its administrators!The state’s primary function is the security and protection of its citizens.
Even here in the US, you can’t criticize the government. Not even if you’re an expert in the subject matter! And we don’t have to go very far back in time for evidence of that. Just look at how badly we treated each other during Covid.But what you fail to mention is that in most countries "the people" have no say in these laws and regulations. They have zero ability to decide anything. Just try criticizing the government or speaking out. They are used to prop up governments, enrich special interests and steer economic gain to a privileged few.
Close. A bribe would be if Apple approached the Indonesian gov't and offered them money. This sounds more like extortion, which is when the Indonesian gov't tells Apple they can't sell their product in that market unless they cough up a $10M "investment."Sounds like a bribe
This sounds more like extortion, which is when the Indonesian gov't tells Apple they can't sell their product in that market unless they cough up a $10M "investment."
I would be lying if I were to say that we shouldn’t behave that way either.While I understand that many MacRumors users are Apple investors, I find it hard to understand how people can be against a government trying to bring investment and jobs to their country.
I'll stop you at the definition, which you clearly didn't understand. Frankly didn't bother to read much of the rest.A bribe is "Money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust".
Seems perfectly reasonable to describe this as a bribe. Bribes do not have to be done in secret and are certainly not illegal (except in relatively rare situations). The politicians who are being influenced are going to benefit from this. Possibly through financial back channels such as local land investments and/or other business interests. But even if there is no financial gain, there will be "political capital" banked from this.
In my view, this again comes down to the government making a choice for its citizens that they have no apparent interest in making for themselves. If a plurality of Indonesian consumers cared about this, then no legislation would be necessary.
It is important to realize that this regulation does at least two things for sure. It denies the ability for Apple to sale iPhones in Indonesia (from the position of an Indonesian legislator, who cares if Apple is negatively impacted). And it denies people in Indonesia the ability to buy iPhones locally. Obviously this won't matter to politicians or people with power and wealth, cause they will do what they always do, work around the legislation. In this case, if they want an iPhone they will buy it abroad or have someone else do it for them. So as is the normal M.O. of governance, the cost will be paid by those who cannot afford to work around the legislation. It is those specific consumers that the Indonesian government is using as leverage against Apple. In this case, it appears to have worked, but if it didn't, it is no big deal, because the people that matter to the politicians were not negatively impacted at all (they may have been inconvenienced at worst).
This is obviously a bleak and simplified view of governance. However, it is supported by real world observations.
You'll have to speak human for me to understand.lol, you literally did the meme. Muppet world we live in.
It's already permanent. It's not coming back. It will continue to cycle to lower cost countries. Vietnam is next.But, the USA needs to finally start again, somewhere and at some point if there's any hope left of us manufacturing much of anything. The more time that keeps slipping by, the more likely these shifts in manufacturing become permanent, once and for all.
You are pretty much and sadly right. Today (election day in the US) will also set the stage for the future of the country as well.It's already permanent. It's not coming back. It will continue to cycle to lower cost countries. Vietnam is next.
What you are discovering is your American centric view is not how much of the rest of the world thinks or acts.How absurd the world stage is becoming, with the EU constantly henpecking Apple over their own software & hardware integration, and now INDONESIA basically saying no one can sell phones to their citizens if they aren't 40% "domestic content", whatever that means. This blatant extortion serves only to prop up the governments of these areas and actually creates worse conditions for their citizens. It's time the NWO model is put in check, the state's function is to build infrastructure and enforce local criminal law, not extort foreign businesses. I'm not sorry that there are now technology corporations with more power than the governments of the world, but as long as those companies empower the people that is how it should be.