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Insiders Detail Steve Jobs' Role in Apple's Mapping Effort, Desire to Replace Google as iOS Search Engine

"Jobs himself initiated the mapping project... Jobs had come to loathe Google, which he felt was copying features of the iPhone"

So, in retaliation for copying apple's smartphone designs, apple copied google's mapping software? I guess it's only ripping off when someone else does it...
 
Just buy isearch.com and end Google completely.

Personally I won't buy another iPhone if a Google app/feature/function even exists! Rather bing for now.
 
Lutris said:
"Jobs himself initiated the mapping project... Jobs had come to loathe Google, which he felt was copying features of the iPhone"

So, in retaliation for copying apple's smartphone designs, apple copied google's mapping software? I guess it's only ripping off when someone else does it...
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when did google invent mapping software ? :rolleyes:
 
bboucher790 said:
If my main competitor told me to go shove it when I wanted a feature their phones have had for years (turn by turn), I would walk away too.
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From what I have read, the reason was Apple did not want to pay for the use of turn by turn not that Google would not let them have it. Apple could have paid for it for a year or so to get their mapping software in order and then switch.

Sounds like they would have been better off spending some of that hord of money they have. But they will need it when they are no longer creating "the next best thing" and their products are no different than everyone else's.
 
ArchAndroid said:
A rare faux pas for the great man.
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You mean putting Forstall in charge? I agree.

And you seem to have a short memory: Ping, MobileMe, iWork, Antennagate (the introduction of bumpers is proof Apple knew about the problem but chose to initially ignore it), the Daily, iAds, etc.
 
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msprygada said:
And what makes you think that Google is not already working on vector maps. By the time it takes Apple to make their maps even close to the level of accuracy of Google maps, Google could be delivering vector maps. Even if they started the conversion now, they would still beat Apple to the finishing line.
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Google delivered Vector Maps... in 2010.

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Asriel said:
So you can't choose option 1 because not having turn by turn and vector tiles is a feature disadvantage compared to other OSs, but having maps that direct you to the wrong city isn't a disadvantage? Very objective opinion.
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It's Gruber. Don't look for objectivity there. Vector maps and turn-by-turn directions are great, even though the maps are of Middle Earth rather than the known real world.

I for one have had no issue navigating from the Shire to Mordor using the new Apple maps. Too bad it wasn't really useful since I had no "One Ring" to dump into the fires of Mount Doom. (oh and they misplaced Sheilob's cave...).
 
Krazy Bill said:
I wouldn't mind that if iOS actually did something useful in the Enterprise market.

Think Microsoft Surface. :) Seriously. I hope MS puts some pressure on Apple.

(Fries full price though.)
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I had a detachable keyboard for iPad made by Apple for like 2 years. Builtin keyboards in cases are available for years. What's so new for you?
 
kas23 said:
You mean putting Forstall in charge? I agree.

And you seem to have a short memory: Ping, MobileMe, iWork, Antennagate (the introduction of bumpers is proof Apple knew about the problem but chose to initially ignore it), the Daily, etc.
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Forstall made iOS, a best mobile OS, which was shamelessly copied and stolen by likes of Schmidt and Co and Samsung gang, so good it was. So if anything, he was and is a best guy to develop new software for iOS.
 
KnightWRX said:
Google delivered Vector Maps... in 2010.

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Vector maps and turn-by-turn directions are great, even though the maps are of Middle Earth rather than the known real world.
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Aren't you too tired to put this crap in every thread every few minutes? We got your message long ago, AppleMaps sucks for you. Now, may we continue discussion of useful things, rather than mindless repetition of your postings, which don't bring anything new?
 
ArchAndroid said:
A rare faux pas for the great man.
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Great man yes, faux pas no. Steve Jobs was right about wanting to replace Google services, maps, search, whatever. Google is Apple's head to head competitor now ... ridding google services from iOS devices could be inevitable as time goes by, that's fine too.

PROVIDED Apple has a suitable alternative ready to go before they dump the existing service. That's where Apple screwed up here, Apple maps is not ready for prime time, barely even beta and they released it to the public and promoted as a superior product ... that's on Tim Cook.
 
ThisIsNotMe said:
Its mostly people who just want to find an excuse to bitch and moan.

Bitch and moan over no integrated turn by turn directions.
Apple does what it needs to do to bring turn by turn to the iPhone and then people bitch and moan.

Generally Bing gives GREAT search results and Google has done a good job of "integrating" Bing features.

Apple should just go out and buy Yahoo and end this.
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Funny. I was with you up until you said "Google has done a great job..." implying they stole from Bing.

FYI, the reason Bing's results are now so good is because they are actually crawling direct from Google, stealing their search results, and have been for over a year now: http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html

The Bing technology is actually the exact same system that Yahoo runs on (Microsoft couldn't make their own as evidence by the crappy MSN search, so cut a deal with Yahoo), thus Yahoo should also be an option to consider.

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mattkap said:
Nice work Apple...blame it on the dead guy.
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Wow someone cant read.

Read the news article - where does it say "Apple have told us".

Also, are you implying that Jobs never made a mistake? Because he did...a LOT!
 
dv8r said:
Apparently not...
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Why you don't continue the phrase. Schmidt and Co, plus Samsung gang stole even icons of Forstall's iOS. Forstall, who worked iOS, which is now driving record sales of iphones and ipads for apple, achieving mobile dominance, in a very short time created a fully new AppleMaps, version 1, yes imperfect, but it provided vector maps, turn by turn, voice operations, efficiency, which means in one step allowed AppleMaps to become as good as as a software as anything Gmaps either on Android or iOS have, but there were bugs in v1.0 related to database and mostly of POI, not the program itself, but in time it will leapfrogg anything Gmaps can offer. So were Safari, OS X and other Apple Maps. You deliver first working version and then you improve it until it leapfrogges Google. And the most important step that Gmaps already lost 100 million users and that soon these 100 million users will completely forget about Google because AppleMaps will be better. Gmaps is same as old internet explorer, remember MS crap? There is no innovations in Google maps for iOS, it is stale, old and also missing a lot.
 
Cut off your nose to spite your face. Apple's bad karma will haunt them more and more as time goes on. That's the way Steve was and the loyalists will pay the price.
 
StoneJack said:
Aren't you too tired to put this crap in every thread every few minutes? We got your message long ago, AppleMaps sucks for you. Now, may we continue discussion of useful things, rather than mindless repetition of your postings, which don't bring anything new?
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Aren't you too tired to put this crap in every thread every few minutes? We got your message long ago, AppleMaps works for you. Now, may we continue discussion of useful things, rather than mindless repetition of your postings, which don't bring anything new?

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StoneJack said:
Forstall in a very short time created a fully new AppleMaps
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Very short time ? 2009 to 2012 = 3 years. That's not short at all.
 
entatlrg said:
PROVIDED Apple has a suitable alternative ready to go before they dump the existing service. That's where Apple screwed up here, Apple maps is not ready for prime time, barely even beta and they released it to the public and promoted as a superior product ... that's on Tim Cook.
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Exactly. Apple can do whatever they want in regards to the back end services that power iOS devices, it's their perogative. However, they better darn make sure the user experience is their usual superior "It Just Works!" experience. Downgrading the user's functionality is what drives these users away eventually to other platforms.
 
StoneJack said:
Forstall made iOS, a best mobile OS, which was shamelessly copied and stolen by likes of Schmidt and Co and Samsung gang, so good it was. So if anything, he was and is a best guy to develop new software for iOS.
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Rim made BBOS, a best mobile OS, which was shamelessly copied and stolen by the likes of Forstall and Co and Apple gang, so good it was.

I can drink the koolaid too!
 
notabadname said:
Long-term, it will prove to be the right competitive move. With a 100 million iOS devices and growing, it is not a wise competitive move to continually generate add dollars and traffic to your rival. Much less have a major feature like turn-by-turn denied. Apple had to ween themselves from Google eventually.

They will get the App refined quickly. I don't miss Google's presence at all.
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Same here. Been off google maps since July and haven't missed it at all.
 
KnightWRX said:
Aren't you too tired to put this crap in every thread every few minutes? We got your message long ago, AppleMaps works for you. Now, may we continue discussion of useful things, rather than mindless repetition of your postings, which don't bring anything new?

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Very short time ? 2009 to 2012 = 3 years. That's not short at all.
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Now repeat again about Shire and Mordor, your point?
 
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