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Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power
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Competition is great since Intel just made CPU upgrades for those on AMD AM4 more affordable with AMD having to price drop to $270 5600x, $300 5800x, $500 5900x and $700 5950x at Micro Center. And, in response Intel also lowered price to $620 12900k, $400 12700k and $300 12600k (Best Buy/Micro Center).
Just wait for Intel to drop their size in the next couple of years and all will be very happy for them.
Cant compare Arm to X86 cpu's totally different architecture
Cant compare Arm to X86 cpu's totally different architecture
No one is sitting around pondering whether they will go with the space heater workstation running Windows…or the mega-efficient laptop running Mac OS.
Of course you can compare. And that comparison is apt. The totally different architecture (x86) has an inherent disadvantage as compared to Arm for both performance (variable-length instructions mean you need complex, stateful, decode logic that requires many additional pipe stages [and their attendant branch miss penalties] and limits look-ahead making it difficult to parallelize within a CPU to the same degree as Arm) and power (to compensate, x86 needs much more complex branch prediction hardware, decode logic, higher clock, etc.)
Not going to lie, some of you really need hobbies.
I couldn't imagine caring this much about which processor is faster; they all get faster/more efficient over time. Some of you act like you've got a personal stake in the success/failure of some of these chips.
I couldn't imagine caring this much about which processor is faster; they all get faster/more efficient over time. Some of you act like you've got a personal stake in the success/failure of some of these chips.
Though to be fair, just this forum alone I see at least 10 Apple stock investors, so speaking for Apple is the most natural choice for them, as well as downplaying competitors, more so if they hate said company’s business practice etc.
This article and most of this discussion is very frustrating to read.
“Intel chip is faster…”.
What does that even mean? What does fast mean, sure a synthetic benchmark with completely different environmental parameters the Intel chip scores higher.
Scoring high in a synthetic benchmark is not the same as “faster”.
Real-world use is the only way to determine if this is a more performant machine and looking at the power draw it most certainly isn’t if we’re comparing to Apple’s mobile chips.
I’m pretty confident the M1s would out perform this chip if it was put in a laptop, the chip would need large amount of throttling to keep it cool. Also the laptop would need to be powered by a nuclear reactor ?.
What is the point of this article other than click bait? Oh I think I just fell for it.
“Intel chip is faster…”.
What does that even mean? What does fast mean, sure a synthetic benchmark with completely different environmental parameters the Intel chip scores higher.
Scoring high in a synthetic benchmark is not the same as “faster”.
Real-world use is the only way to determine if this is a more performant machine and looking at the power draw it most certainly isn’t if we’re comparing to Apple’s mobile chips.
I’m pretty confident the M1s would out perform this chip if it was put in a laptop, the chip would need large amount of throttling to keep it cool. Also the laptop would need to be powered by a nuclear reactor ?.
What is the point of this article other than click bait? Oh I think I just fell for it.
Breaking news…. Small compact car is faster than riding lawn mower, but uses significantly more fuel. Nice news writing.
Intel last week unveiled its first 12th-generation "Alder Lake" processors with the launch of six new processors aimed at desktop computers, including the high-end Core i9-12900K, a 16-core chip with eight performance cores and eight efficiency cores.
While the first 12th-generation processors are desktop class, they still make for an interesting comparison with Apple's M1 Pro and M1 Max chips in the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models, as rumors suggest that Apple plans to release a new 27-inch iMac with the same M1 Pro and M1 Max chips in the first half of next year.
The first Geekbench 5 benchmark results for the Core i9-12900K reveal that the processor is up to nearly 1.5x faster than the M1 Pro and M1 Max in multi-core performance. Specifically, the Core i9 processor has an average multi-core score of approximately 18,500 so far, compared to approximately 12,500 for the M1 Pro and M1 Max. AnandTech has shared additional benchmarks for a closer look at performance.
While the Core i9 processor is considerably faster than the M1 Pro and M1 Max, it also uses a lot more power than Apple's chips, with Intel listing the chip as using up to 125W of power at base frequencies and up to 241W of power with Turbo Boost.
Intel's 12th-generation Core i7-12700K also appears to be faster than the M1 Pro and M1 Max in Geekbench 5 results, but it likewise uses more power.
When Apple first announced that it would be transitioning to its own chips for the Mac in June 2020, the company never said its chips would be the fastest on the market, but rather promised industry-leading performance per watt. Apple's M1 Pro and M1 Max certainly achieve this feat, with the chips outperforming a 12-core Intel-based Mac Pro that starts at $6,999 with minimal to no fan noise as a result of impressive power efficiency.
Intel expects to release 12th-generation Core processors for laptops in early 2022.
Article Link: Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power
Financial stakes of several people here aside, this is a place where enthusiasts talk about future technology. It would seem weird not to care about things like CPUs.
I actually read this as:
"Impressive power, but throw it in a laptop and watch it BURN" lol.
We've been waiting for Intel to get their act together for quite some time. This is ONE step in the right direction, but only one step. While this new desktop CPU looks good, it's unclear how this is really an indicator of what their laptop chips will be like. They truly have their work cut out for them.
Because the public is buying FAR more laptops and other mobile devices than desktops, if Intel had made a switch and started producing the processor that will sell the most FIRST, that would have indicated a change in direction significantly different enough from their recent history to really mean something.
As it is, they’re shipping, but they’re shipping the processors that, over their lifetime, will sell the fewest.
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As I've stated these are great mobile processors, but are average x86 comparative chips. Yes both ARM and x86 are different standards for two sets of platforms. The M2 Pro/Max should heat things up and make Apple very competitive within the x86 chipset space next year.
Also the challenge of comparing M chips to Intel or AMD doesn't allow Apple customers to customize GPU, motherboards, or any hardware as M1 incorporates CPU and GPU on the same arch. There should be a reason to open up a DIY community to Apple.
Also the challenge of comparing M chips to Intel or AMD doesn't allow Apple customers to customize GPU, motherboards, or any hardware as M1 incorporates CPU and GPU on the same arch. There should be a reason to open up a DIY community to Apple.
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Mmmmmm, I really don’t think that Apple’s solutions will ever be the top performers that some folks think they may be. They’ll do well, they’ll CERTAINLY outdo the prior model of Mac by a decent amount, but Apple’s taken themselves out of that race. They’ve effectively carved up the market into:
1. Those that need the highest performance, regardless.
and
2. Those that need to use macOS.
No one else can make a faster, more stable, more supported Mac than Apple, so if you see good performance numbers from the new Mac Pro that beats the prior Mac Pro, but still underperforms some over clocked custom built beast with an Intel core, that’s ENTIRELY expected and not surprising.
Were there ever any Macs that utilized any Intel desktop line processors? I thought iMacs and Mac minis always used the laptop chips, because the computer designs necessitated it, and Mac Pros used Xeon server class chips.
Arm v9 has nothing in it that makes it any faster, or that makes intel’s chips any more power efficient.
ARMv9 is coming and Apple has been the first to use the newest ISA since their early iPhones. I believe Apple is working on M2 with ARMv9, which will not be long for us to buy. Very likely 2022.