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Intel Announces First Low-Power 'Kaby Lake' Mobile Processors

ghost187 said:
If more powerful means putting back a fan, I wouldn't even want that. I have the retina macbook currently and the screen is just a bit too cramped which I manage, but the battery life is far worse than the 13 inch MBA.
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I think the 4.5W chips sound very, very attractive for a low-power fanless design. Especially for a design that can burst single-threaded to 3.6 GHz. And, do sustained 4K video decode. With 4.5W (!)

ThaRuler said:
Wake me when they put cannonlake on macs
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Intel made huge leaps with previous generations (e.g. Core2 and related Xeons) to Nehalem/Westmere/Sandy Bridge. I don't expect to see that again. Improvements from Sandy Bridge on have been incremental. If you are waiting for another giant leap, you may wait forever.

In the meantime, the specs are now on Ark:

http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/82879/Kaby-Lake#@All
 
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Domen151 said:
Or they just changed the name of m5 and m7 to i5 and i7, so they would seem more powerful to people who don’t know much about processors. At least thats what I think :p
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Highly likely. Still pretty weird IMO, and it makes you wonder why they gave them those names in the previous generation.
 
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fastasleep said:
Exactly. Apple plays the long game while people in these forums act like their engineers and designers are sitting on their thumbs doing absolutely nothing all day and Tim Cook tries to find new countries to hide money in and that's why they don't have a particular Mac they've made up in their head on their own imaginary schedule.
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Well, to be honest, that sounds like a pretty accurate description of Apple's activities to me. You just forgot to add their extensive R&D on watchbands.
 
fastasleep said:
Exactly. Apple plays the long game while people in these forums act like their engineers and designers are sitting on their thumbs doing absolutely nothing all day and Tim Cook tries to find new countries to hide money in and that's why they don't have a particular Mac they've made up in their head on their own imaginary schedule.
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You think Microsoft, Dell, HP, Google are also sitting on their thumbs waiting for Apple to innovate?
 
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physicsprof said:
Well, to be honest, that sounds like a pretty accurate description of Apple's activities to me. You just forgot to add their extensive R&D on watchbands.
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Then you're either completely out of touch with reality or being willfully obtuse.
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smoledman said:
You think Microsoft, Dell, HP, Google are also sitting on their thumbs waiting for Apple to innovate?
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What? No.
 
So much "tech" but so idiotic still that you can't just upgrade and swap out the cores in existing notebooks, this would truly revolutionize sustainable environmental resource practices in the industry. If they are so amazing with coming up with these chips, why is it so much to ask for them to be able to easily be installed into exsisting notebooks? It's not like the notebooks designs are really all that revolutionary from 6 months to 6 months or year to year, they don't really become that impressive to justify the change in Intel chips.

My late 2011 17" MacBook Pro is still slender and slick, I kept it in mint condition, why can't there something be done to just put in a new motherboard or the chip and away I go. Or with my late 2013 15" retina MacBook Pro?

:D
 
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Ugh, I'm so tired of the never ending cry out here on forums. "There is no new Mac! Help us god! Apple sucks! Can't innovate anymore! HP, Dell, MS etc. are sooo much faster... and cheaper... "

Blah blah blah...

The noticeable CPU speed improvements over the last five years are almost unnoticeable during the daily work. What are 10% CPU speed improvements? Loading a text document 0.1 second faster? Convert a video file a minute sooner? Scroll social media snappier? C'mon!

People here behave like they are running nuclear fusion simulations on their tiny laptops and crave for every extra instruction cycle boost. That's hilarious!

The only sad but true argument about Apple is that; they don't lower prices on (CPU)outdated Macs. But whether you have the newest Kaby Lake or Hasswell architecture inside, you won't notice the difference while you work. Your perception is poisoned with sophisticated marketing BS and we're mostly just sheep.
 
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kk1ro said:
Is it in any way possible for Apple to get "early access" to Kaby Lake CPUs just for the new MBPs?

If not, I hope they delay the Macbook Pro launch until January, because I'd hate to buy a new laptop right now only for it to be a full CPU generation behind after 3 months.
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Consumers shouldn't buy first gen of anything anyways, with Apple it is always safe to wait till the 2nd gens :) or better yet, their late releases after the new machines. But what ever, it's so easy to buy and then sell with Apple devices.
 
vpro said:
So much "tech" but so idiotic still that you can't just upgrade and swap out the cores in existing notebooks, this would truly revolutionize sustainable environmental resource practices in the industry. If they are so amazing with coming up with these chips, why is it so much to ask for them to be able to easily be installed into exsisting notebooks? It's not like the notebooks designs are really all that revolutionary from 6 months to 6 months or year to year, they don't really become that impressive to justify the change in Intel chips.

My late 2011 17" MacBook Pro is still slender and slick, I kept it in mint condition, why can't there something be done to just put in a new motherboard or the chip and away I go. Or with my late 2013 15" retina MacBook Pro?

:D
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Processor updates from Skylake to Kaby Lake and Cannonlake should be possible because Intel's plan is a three-step "process-architecture-optimization" that will share the same LGA CPU socket.
 
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I don't think people are complaining. This is a forum for discussion afterall and we are entitled to opinions and to air views so long as they are on topic and don't offend. I think most people would be happy just to get Skylake into more of the Apple range; update the Mac Pro and probably put more than one usb slot in the Macbook. Apple may have plans to do any or all of these things or it may have no plans at all. Other manufacturers don't seem to have any qualms about adding skylake and are exploring memory and connection options. I have also just read a review of Hps new Chromebook 13. Not for everyone I guess but still seems quite a decent little machine with up to date Skylake and with 2 usb type c connectors plus 1 usb type a. :)
 
Will the performance of Mac laptops with such low-power Kaby Lake mobile processors be higher than that of the current Surface Pro 4 or the upcoming Surface Pro?
 
vpro said:
So much "tech" but so idiotic still that you can't just upgrade and swap out the cores in existing notebooks, this would truly revolutionize sustainable environmental resource practices in the industry. If they are so amazing with coming up with these chips, why is it so much to ask for them to be able to easily be installed into exsisting notebooks? It's not like the notebooks designs are really all that revolutionary from 6 months to 6 months or year to year, they don't really become that impressive to justify the change in Intel chips.

My late 2011 17" MacBook Pro is still slender and slick, I kept it in mint condition, why can't there something be done to just put in a new motherboard or the chip and away I go. Or with my late 2013 15" retina MacBook Pro?

:D
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You can't just plug a foreign CPU into an existing system board on a platform. Each system board is unique to a platform, sometimes down to the SKU level, and the board is calibrated and certified to work with that CPU. Hell, if a platform offers both AMD and Intel options, you need separate boards for each. Introduce a new CPU and your machine probably won't start up.

That said, if Apple is going to introduce Kaby Lake, now is the time to do it. Kaby Lake platforms have been in the design stages since early this year (at least for Windows boxes), and will be ready for First Customer Ship around Dec-Mar. If Apple development for Kaby Lake platforms is on the same time frame, then you could probably expect them soon (ish)

This being Apple, though, i guess they'll wait for XYZ Lake before refreshing.
 
vpro said:
Consumers shouldn't buy first gen of anything anyways, with Apple it is always safe to wait till the 2nd gens :) or better yet, their late releases after the new machines. But what ever, it's so easy to buy and then sell with Apple devices.
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It's Intel's 7th generation Core i processors, and the 3rd architecture on this 14nm process technology. As far as the rest of the laptop hardware being buggy, if that were to occur (I'd hope not with how many years Apple engineers have taken to test things), we all know Apple would ignore the clamors to fix it for several years claiming it's a feature just to prove a point that they know better than we do and don't have to listen to us. Then when they finally do update it in 3 years from now with something 2 generations behind, they'll have completely gotten rid of their potentailly useful idea for some other controversial "feature".
 
AllergyDoc said:
Gonna be some happy people around here.
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You've sensed my presents in this place.

Kidding aside, I hope that Apple will smooth out the product refresh cycle, so new processors get into new machines sooner rather than later, among other reasons.
 
dj23andMe said:
Kaby Lake optimization offers considerably higher clock speeds for lower power. Expect measurably better battery life.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-7500U-Review-Skylake-on-Steroids.172692.0.html
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By measurably you mean "an hour" it's good progress, but its really not going to change anyones productivity - people obsess over the CPU as if its the only important part of the machine here - in the last 10 years its become the least important part for me, retina display, thunderbolt 2, USB 3, new trackpad and keyboards, gigabit wifi, faster and large amounts of ram in the jump to 64bit and more importantly SSD's getting up to speeds of 2000MB/s in the latest MB's are the important pieces of technology which affect my day to day life far far more than CPU speed which is rarely maxed out.
 
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Happy-Mac said:
Kidding aside, I hope that Apple will smooth out the product refresh cycle, so new processors get into new machines sooner rather than later, among other reasons.
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Big leaps in single-thread performance are history at this point. But, that doesn't matter for the lower-power applications that the new Kaby Lake processors are aimed at anyway.

dannys1 said:
You guys obsesses about CPU generations far far too much.
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I kind of agree with you about the obsessing about CPUs, but, Kaby Lake is still a nice step forward. Looking back two years, the fanless (Windows 8) systems that were just coming out were nice because they were fanless, but, they were still a bit less than a 2008 MBP, and, kind of toylike. Now, you can have something better than a 2008 MBP and still fanless. Not to mention an SSD and a link to a 4K external display. I mentioned fanless about 4 times in this thread because that is a big deal, both from the power/battery life POV and also the unobtrusive just-an-appliance-in-digital-life POV. I would love to get a fanless Macbook more like an Air running OSX that could just sit around all day like an iPhone or an iPad.
 
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