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Intel Apple Laptop In January?
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dernhelm said:
I think you’ve touched on something significant that is in the works… does anyone remember the announcement/rumor of Sony engineers working on the next generation of PowerBooks? Is it really a coincidence? Sony was awarded a potential mind control patent based upon acoustical technology and is working on an EMF (electromagnetic field) version of that same acoustical technology… imagine Bluetooth being modified so the user can smell, hear, see in an “enhanced way”. Imagine being able to smell the stench of zombies in Resident Evil 4 or the blooming of the last fresh forest flowers before the extinction of man in Spielberg’s AI.
The PPC and AIM may be “End OF Line” in the consumer PC world but it by far isn’t dead. Steve Jobs knows this and Apple will continue to make $$s off the PPC since Apple hasn’t disassociated itself from AltiVec/Velocity Engine/VMX and the intellectual property associated with its development.
I will miss the PPC Mac , as I am an adamant PPC fan boy, but whatever keeps Apple in business is good for everyone, IMHO (does that mean: In my humble opinion?). I still miss the Moto 68k series, the potential of the 060 and still have and use my Performa 636CD. I’m really enjoying my new 17” PowerBook (my first laptop).
I’m also looking forward to including the G5 quad to my Mac family as well. As history shows, the Mac OS can handle any CPU platform. 10 years of CISC, 10 years of RISC, and back to CISC, maybe in 10 years the Mac OS will return to RISC… right when people are able to smell and feel what they see, thanks to Sony and the PPC. what does this have to do with the intel transion and intel PBs in Jan... not much. Okay, it’s been a long week and I shouldn’t have accepted that last shot of tequila…
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https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/07/20050730180556.shtml
Waiting for my 17"
I've never had a laptop, always desktop Macs, but my next machine will the high end 17" PowerBook ... probably when the rev b Intels roll.
I've never had a laptop, always desktop Macs, but my next machine will the high end 17" PowerBook ... probably when the rev b Intels roll.
The end of the G4?
If (?) Intel products are announced in the new year I think all the G4 products will be moved to Intel at the same time. The PM G5 and iMac G5 have had good recent updates and can come later. It's G4 where Apple is behind. Here is the reasoning.
Portables: Apple badly needs to differentiate between the PBook and iBook ranges (try telling the difference between i and p books at the moment and market segment are important at least to marketeers) If you look at the history of the Mac, pro v consumer, they have been quite willing to put much lower power processors in the consumer ranges. Anything else aside the Celeron M (now to be renamed the 300 range by Intel) in the i Book on much the same form factor inc screen and resolution size and Pentium M (to be called the 500 range) in Powerbooks for pros would provide that differentiation. They might even drop i and p prefix and go with 300 and 500 suffix. They then wouldn't have to hack the the graphics hardware to run mirroring etc. It would also mean Superdrives on all portables.
Mac Mini: With a Pentium M this machine would compete on a par with 'Lifestyle' PC's on the hardware front and have the advantage of OSX and if the rumours are correct the enhancements to iTunes (aka iVideo distribution? the model works) etc.
Applications, well the i apps will do for many particularly if a spread sheet and perhaps drawing is included and I figure that the key issue is media. Apple wants, I guess, to own the hardware or at least be the lead player and by owning the means of distribution they would have the market sewn up.
If (?) Intel products are announced in the new year I think all the G4 products will be moved to Intel at the same time. The PM G5 and iMac G5 have had good recent updates and can come later. It's G4 where Apple is behind. Here is the reasoning.
Portables: Apple badly needs to differentiate between the PBook and iBook ranges (try telling the difference between i and p books at the moment and market segment are important at least to marketeers) If you look at the history of the Mac, pro v consumer, they have been quite willing to put much lower power processors in the consumer ranges. Anything else aside the Celeron M (now to be renamed the 300 range by Intel) in the i Book on much the same form factor inc screen and resolution size and Pentium M (to be called the 500 range) in Powerbooks for pros would provide that differentiation. They might even drop i and p prefix and go with 300 and 500 suffix. They then wouldn't have to hack the the graphics hardware to run mirroring etc. It would also mean Superdrives on all portables.
Mac Mini: With a Pentium M this machine would compete on a par with 'Lifestyle' PC's on the hardware front and have the advantage of OSX and if the rumours are correct the enhancements to iTunes (aka iVideo distribution? the model works) etc.
Applications, well the i apps will do for many particularly if a spread sheet and perhaps drawing is included and I figure that the key issue is media. Apple wants, I guess, to own the hardware or at least be the lead player and by owning the means of distribution they would have the market sewn up.
I don't think Apple will ever use Celeron M's. They might use single core Yonahs, while the PB takes the dual core, but the Celeron looks to already have been ruled out. Also, I don't think that naming scheme would be popular, and they would have to come out with something similar to their current naming standard.clembo said:
An article that I referenced yesterday said that Intel would probably use the brand name "Celeron" for the single core Yonahs. Here's a link to another story with the same claim.... http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1852868,00.aspsteve_hill4 said:
It makes a lot of sense for a single-core Yonah to be sold as a Celeron.
The current Celeron M chips are Dothans, with half the cache and a slightly slower bus and slower speeds. The slower bus is a market segmentation choice.
The half-cache, however, is a clever way for Intel to increase chip yields and salvage mostly-working chips.
The 2 MiB cache on a Dothan accounts for a large portion of the area of the Dothan chip - in the following photograph the cache is the regular area covering the left side of the chip:
(See a big picture at http://biznes.pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/pila/sonoma/dothan-rdzen.jpg, along with a story at http://biznes.pclab.pl/art13670.html .)
In case there's a defect on the wafer, there's over a 50% chance that the defect will land in the cache - since the cache is over 50% of the area of the chip. Intel can disable the half of the cache with the defect, and sell the chip as a Celeron for a low price - rather than discarding the mostly-working silicon.
With Yonah, not only can they disable part of the cache, but a defect that affects only one core can similarly be handled - the defective core can be disabled and the remaining core sold as a single-core Celeron M (Yonah).
The slower GHz of the chip is also a way to get more saleable chips from the wafer. A chip that fails to run reliably at Pentium M speeds might be perfectly fine at Celeron M speeds. In this case, the extra cache and second core would be disabled (even though they might be good) and the chip would be a Celeron M (Yonah).
I've always assumed Yonah would be the new pentium M, while the single-core version would be the Celeron M. Not sure if I read that somewhere or not.
But what I never seem to run across is a CODE name for the single-core version of Yonah. Perfect for iBooks--although Dothan is ready now.
But what I never seem to run across is a CODE name for the single-core version of Yonah. Perfect for iBooks--although Dothan is ready now.
steve_hill4 said:
Why not?
The current iBooks are essentially crippled G4s with a piss poor FSB too.
Apple will do ANYTHING to save pennies as well as to divide their line into distinct market segments. That said I'd say it is a safe bet to say that Celerons will never be used on the PowerBooks.
No, intel plan on using the name Core for Yonah, with Solo or Duo referring to whether they are single or dual core.AidenShaw said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051203/index.html
I guess, but I always assumed, (as I think a lot around here did), that Apple would want single core Yonahs in the iBooks and dual core for the PowerBooks.generik said:
I guess iBooks could have Celeron M and PowerBooks get Core Duos, but that would put iBooks potentially lower spec than equally priced, (or even some cheaper), Windows laptops out there already. That would be a poor move for Apple, and we have been used to seeing the same/similar processors in both mobile lines. The only time we haven't had the same lines really is when we still had the iBook G3 and the PowerBook was G4. That wasn't really the same as Celeron and Pentium M's though.
Very interesting, thank you. In particular, the roadmap for 2006-2008 on page http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051203/top_secret_intel_processor_plans_uncovered-04.html is good.steve_hill4 said:
So, my description of how the lower end chips currently marketed as "Celerons" is still valid, but if Tom's is true then the "slighly defective" chips will have a marketing name that's different from today's "Celeron".
Maybe the name change will help iGary avoid spitting up a little, even though it makes no difference technically.
why not demand choice?
Imagine the Apple Store menu:
iBook $699
Wouldn't that be sweet?
It would make more sense to add the CPU speed/type to the BTO menu, so the buyer could choose how much money to spend?steve_hill4 said:
Imagine the Apple Store menu:
iBook $699
- 1.4 GHz Celeron M [standard]
- 1.8 GHz Pentium M [add $150]
- 2.2 GHz Pentium M [add $400]
- 2.1 GHz dual-core Pentium M [add $600]
Wouldn't that be sweet?
Don't thank me, thank plinden https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1955482#post1955482AidenShaw said:
The new logos look nice, but I have to say that if Apple stick one on my Rev. A Intel PowerBook, it's coming straight off. If you leave it on there, even for one week, the colour around it could potentially change enough to be able to see where the sticker was.
Perhaps, but I think the BTO options would restrict you to the same processor type, just different speeds. Apple don't often let you customise to that extent, but with intel, perhaps times are changing in more areas than one.AidenShaw said:
Remember "Celeron" isn't really a different processor type, it's the same processor with a different marketing name.steve_hill4 said:
Has Apple ever used different MPC74xx chips, or different PPC970xx chips, in different models at the same time?
I understand that for market segment positioning it wouldn't be necessary to have all possible CPU options it all systems. It would be reasonable, IMO, to make iBook/MiniMac have Celeron->Dothan options, and pBook/iMac to have Dothan->Yonah options.
I had thought Pentium/Celeron and Core/Core Duo were to be used together, like Pentium M Core Duo, but it looks like Pentium and Celeron are both out the window, at least for portables!
"Core" is kind of an odd name, but I like it much better than Pentium or Celeron for sure. I wonder if the desktop chips (Sossaman, Conroe) will get a new name to replace Pentium too? Sossaman could just be Core, I suppose: it's not REALLY necessary to name mobile CPUs differently.
The new name will "waste" some Pentium/Celeron brand awareness, but people will get over it, and all companies including Apple will be affected by the temporary confusion. Meanwhile, it makes the point that Intel is going in a new and better direction than the P4.
I think my future holds a Core Duo soon, joined by a Conroe PowerMac later. (Then again Intel has quad-core packages already taped out, due in 2007...) And eventually, a Merom-based ultra-portable? Please?
PS, Tom's Hardware is the first time I'd heard Sossaman referred to as a server processor. I'd thought it was for desktops, preceding Conroe just like Yonah precedes Merom.
PPS, they made not slap Intel Inside stickers on top of a PowerBook, but steel yourself to see them on Apple's home page when Intel Macs become the headline
"Core" is kind of an odd name, but I like it much better than Pentium or Celeron for sure. I wonder if the desktop chips (Sossaman, Conroe) will get a new name to replace Pentium too? Sossaman could just be Core, I suppose: it's not REALLY necessary to name mobile CPUs differently.
The new name will "waste" some Pentium/Celeron brand awareness, but people will get over it, and all companies including Apple will be affected by the temporary confusion. Meanwhile, it makes the point that Intel is going in a new and better direction than the P4.
I think my future holds a Core Duo soon, joined by a Conroe PowerMac later. (Then again Intel has quad-core packages already taped out, due in 2007...) And eventually, a Merom-based ultra-portable? Please?
PS, Tom's Hardware is the first time I'd heard Sossaman referred to as a server processor. I'd thought it was for desktops, preceding Conroe just like Yonah precedes Merom.
PPS, they made not slap Intel Inside stickers on top of a PowerBook, but steel yourself to see them on Apple's home page when Intel Macs become the headline
Now you know why names like Prescott, Northwood, Deschute, Banias and others are still being used - they're still very useful to identify the chip family from the marketing name.nagromme said:
Of course, that shouldn't seem unusual to Mac users - "Powerbook G4" now refers to about 17 different models of laptops....
Well, Celeron's are stripped down versions of the standard processors. So a Celeron M is a Pentium M with slower FSB and less cache. So you could argue they are different processors, but, as you state, they aren't really that different.AidenShaw said:
I just can't see Apple allowing the marketing names to confuse the consumer as they come to apple.com and BTO their iBook. The Yonah could be say $50 more than the same clock speed Celeron, and consumers wouldn't really understand what extra they are paying for. To simplify things, I would prefer to see Apple stick with one processor per range and just have potential speed differences if they allow us to customise.
I wonder if Conroe and Merom will just be called Core as well?
OK, here are my updated predicted announcements:
Jan.-Mar. (some announced at MWSF):
Mac Mini (same name, Dothan/Pentium M, Front Row; no high-end home theater/PVR stuff--maybe another product for that?)
iBook M (or just "iBook," Dothan/Pentium M)
PowerBook D (Yonah/Core Duo, iSight)
Keep selling one 15" PowerBook G4 on the side
Spring, once Yonah1 is out:
iBook S (or keep "iBook," now Yonah1/Core Solo)
Mac Mini (same name, now Yonah1/Core Solo)
Updated iMac G5
Updated PowerMac G5 duals and quads
Fall, including Apple Expo:
PowerBook D (same name, now Merom dual core)
iMac D (Conroe dual core)
PowerMac D (Conroe dual core)
PowerMac Quad (Conroe dual-dual core)
Mac Mini updated
iBook updated
Keep selling one PowerMac G5 dual on the side
Later:
Xserve (same name, Woodcrest)
Discontinue leftover PowerPC Macs
Note: "D" models COULD be "Duo," and "S" could be "Solo"--as in "PowerBook Duo"--but it would be odd (maybe illegal?) to use Intel's own trademark in an Apple product name. Plus, PowerBook Duos have been done (Tech notes would have to specify "PowerBook Duo" vs. "PowerBook Duo non-1900s.")
OK, here are my updated predicted announcements:
Jan.-Mar. (some announced at MWSF):
Mac Mini (same name, Dothan/Pentium M, Front Row; no high-end home theater/PVR stuff--maybe another product for that?)
iBook M (or just "iBook," Dothan/Pentium M)
PowerBook D (Yonah/Core Duo, iSight)
Keep selling one 15" PowerBook G4 on the side
Spring, once Yonah1 is out:
iBook S (or keep "iBook," now Yonah1/Core Solo)
Mac Mini (same name, now Yonah1/Core Solo)
Updated iMac G5
Updated PowerMac G5 duals and quads
Fall, including Apple Expo:
PowerBook D (same name, now Merom dual core)
iMac D (Conroe dual core)
PowerMac D (Conroe dual core)
PowerMac Quad (Conroe dual-dual core)
Mac Mini updated
iBook updated
Keep selling one PowerMac G5 dual on the side
Later:
Xserve (same name, Woodcrest)
Discontinue leftover PowerPC Macs
Note: "D" models COULD be "Duo," and "S" could be "Solo"--as in "PowerBook Duo"--but it would be odd (maybe illegal?) to use Intel's own trademark in an Apple product name. Plus, PowerBook Duos have been done
(Tech notes would have to specify "PowerBook Duo" vs. "PowerBook Duo non-1900s.")
No need to duplicate or overlap speeds (there isn't much overlap anyway - the 90nm Celeron M is 1.3 to 1.6 GHz, and the latest 90nm Pentium M is 1.6 to 2.26 GHz).steve_hill4 said:
Offer one low-price iBook option of the 1.3 GHz Celeron M, then jump to the 1.6 Pentium M, and work up through the PM range picking two or three additional steps.
That gives a nice low-price entry for the schools and the Sunday newspaper adverts, and the option for faster if you're willing to spend the bucks.
Same FSB, but Celeron M clocks at a max of 400 MHz, Pentium M does 400 or 533 MHz.generik said:
Two Distinct Lines
Having read all the recent posts I have to hold to my view that there will be two ranges of notebooks, consumer/education and pro. If we look at usability screen size/resolution is a key issue. I am inclined to think that Apple will introduce the new intel iBook at a new lower price point as per the Mac Mini. Having one 13 inch screen iBook would keep nobody happy.
(Personally I now wish I had gone for the 12 inch when I bought because portability has become much more of an issue for me). Look at the demand for X series IBM machines on ebay with 12 inch screen and external optical drive.
If you think back to the 'mess' of models before Steve Jobs returned to Apple I can't see them going down that route again.
I do wonder though what's in store following the deals Apple has done to secure flash memory supplies. Maybe we are all looking in the wrong direction. Think of a P Book with an external optical and no hard disc, just flash memory and bootable from the external drive in emergency. Slim as wafer and battery life to die for!
What was that eMate thingy!
Odds on somebody is in for a surprise.
Having read all the recent posts I have to hold to my view that there will be two ranges of notebooks, consumer/education and pro. If we look at usability screen size/resolution is a key issue. I am inclined to think that Apple will introduce the new intel iBook at a new lower price point as per the Mac Mini. Having one 13 inch screen iBook would keep nobody happy.
(Personally I now wish I had gone for the 12 inch when I bought because portability has become much more of an issue for me). Look at the demand for X series IBM machines on ebay with 12 inch screen and external optical drive.
If you think back to the 'mess' of models before Steve Jobs returned to Apple I can't see them going down that route again.
I do wonder though what's in store following the deals Apple has done to secure flash memory supplies. Maybe we are all looking in the wrong direction. Think of a P Book with an external optical and no hard disc, just flash memory and bootable from the external drive in emergency. Slim as wafer and battery life to die for!
What was that eMate thingy!
Odds on somebody is in for a surprise.
Apple offering MS Office at half price with pBooks
I had an e mail from Apple with the following offer -
For a limited time, you can load up your new Mac with a full version of Microsoft Office 2004 and save up to $250 after mail-in rebate.
Hurry, this offer expires on January 31, 2006.
Mac World starts January the 9th. I seem to recall that Apple did a similar offer on G3 pBooks just before the lauch of the first gen G4. Smacks of clearing inventory perhaps? What do you all think.
I had an e mail from Apple with the following offer -
For a limited time, you can load up your new Mac with a full version of Microsoft Office 2004 and save up to $250 after mail-in rebate.
Hurry, this offer expires on January 31, 2006.
Mac World starts January the 9th. I seem to recall that Apple did a similar offer on G3 pBooks just before the lauch of the first gen G4. Smacks of clearing inventory perhaps? What do you all think.