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My Dell netbook with a 1.6ghz Atom and GMA 950 runs OS X surprisingly well.
 
and Apple needs an Atom netbook.

otherwise they will miss it and their growth will stall completely in the next year.

And also, the Netbook should not cost $1799 ;)

I hope if they're doing a netbook or tablet or something that it runs REAL OS X and Windows, not their stripped down mobile OS X.

If they wanted to borrow optional interface elements from mobile OS X, that's one thing, but a giant iPod touch is not any more appealing to me than the iPod touch is.
 
I don't see Apple using Atom at all in the Macmini.

They could use the same core duo 2 and just give it the 9400 and it would be a better upgrade.

Atom will be for a newer Apple TV or something else. Maybe that rumored home server.
 
My Dell netbook with a 1.6ghz Atom and GMA 950 runs OS X surprisingly well.

I'm sooo tempted to get one of those. They look well built if nothing else, and got good reviews. They're kind of pricey though for what I think would just end up as a toy for me. I want to see how Atom Folds though :D
 
I don't know why a lot of you folks dislike the Atom in an upcoming Mac Mini. If the computer is a unibody design, weights like 1 kilogram, fanless, and looks like a piece of toast, why not?

I'm so excited about the Atom processor that I'm hoping Apple scraps the Xeon in the Mac Pro and replaces it with the Atom.
I thought the Xeon was great, but if Apple says the Atom is all I need then that must be all I need.

That's like telling Ferrari and Lamborgini to replace the V12 in their sportscars with 4 cylinder turbos. Sure it would work, but no-were as good.
 
Netbooks take toll on Apple

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/01/15/netbooks-take-a-toll-on-apple.aspx


sums up Apple's problem nicely...


A mac mini needs to be $399

and Apple needs an Atom netbook.

otherwise they will miss it and their growth will stall completely in the next year.

That proves nothing, Apples annual sales increases are still well above inflation and their market share is stable, i dont see an issue here?

also Apple has no interest in the already saturated netbook market so whats the issue?

maybe use of prositues rises by 12% per year so Apple should produce an iHo? the whole article purpotes a ridiculous argument, clearly not written by a business strategist.
 
I don't see Apple using Atom at all in the Macmini.

They could use the same core duo 2 and just give it the 9400 and it would be a better upgrade.

Atom will be for a newer Apple TV or something else. Maybe that rumored home server.

It would be TOO GOOD an upgrade - and hurt iMac and Macbook sales.

They keep their entry level computer, it still works great for most people, but if you need to do more, you have to move up the line. Sounds great for Apple and AAPL! Customer semi-loses. That is always the Apple/AAPL way.
 
I agree, but many that buy a Mac Mini would be happy enough with Apple's software at the get go. I could see Apple rev'ing all the OSX shipped apps (QuickTime, Safari, Preview, Finder CoverFlow, etc) to take advantage of OpenCL or at least the ones that would need to take advantage. iLife and iWork could be rev'd for Snow Leopard as well come the Mac Mini's release.


You FAR too optimistic about the potential of OpenCL. Please read about it first before you make assumptions like these.
Offloading taks to the GPU CAN and WILL accelerate a few certain tasks, mainly de/encoding or video/audio processing. For the vast majority of tasks, it won't do anything. There is a reason why a computer is still based on a multipurpose processor and not on a beefed-up high-MIPS DSP. GPUs have become more flexible over the years, but they are still in a completely different class, which makes it impossible to run many everyday tasks on it efficiently.

And don't forget: offloading to the GPU makes sense, if the GPU is fast. It is certainly NOT fast in an integrated chipset.

So, no, pairing an abysmally slow Atom with any GPU, as powerful as it may be, still wouldn't give you a fast all-purpose computer. It would make a nice number cruncher tho.
 
It would be TOO GOOD an upgrade - and hurt iMac and Macbook sales.

They keep their entry level computer, it still works great for most people, but if you need to do more, you have to move up the line. Sounds great for Apple and AAPL! Customer semi-loses. That is always the Apple/AAPL way.

Still don't see them using Atom. How would Garageband and iMovie run on it? iLife would run like crap. Anything outside of Safari and Mail would run terrible. Well video playback would be fine, but thats why I see Atom for Apple TV.
 
Is it so hard to ask for a full sized tower? If we needed portability we would be going for a netbook or a laptop Apple!

Let's see, an Atom processor, less powerful and used in netbooks, and a 9400. 9400 is far from a god send and can hardly game being it is not dedicated.

What I would LIKE to see and would buy:

$599
Full sized tower
2.4 Intel Core2Duo
2GB RAM
320GB HDD
9600GT DEDICATED
MiniDisplayport
Included Airport/Bluetooth
Included Keyboard/Mouse
Most parts are upgradable

$799
Full sized tower
2.66 Intel Core2Duo
4GB RAM
500GB HDD
9600GT DEDICATED
MiniDisplayport
Included Airport/Bluetooth
Included Keyboard/Mouse
Most parts are upgradable
 
Still don't see them using Atom. How would Garageband and iMovie run on it? iLife would run like crap. Anything outside of Safari and Mail would run terrible. Well video playback would be fine, but thats why I see Atom for Apple TV.

Exactly, how would the CS4 master suite run on it? and also some people use it as a server, so having an Atom inside? dont even joke about it.
 
also Apple has no interest in the already saturated netbook market so whats the issue?

What are you talking about? What makes you think the netbook market is saturated?

Basically, the netbook market didn't even start until Sept. 2008 when Dell, Acer, & Hp started making the Atom Minibooks.

I would say that the market is just getting started and most likely will be the primary future of computing. Small powerful portable devices matched with cloud computing.

Apple needs an entry soon. Who here doesn't think that Apple could make a killer Netbook that will do for the Netbook market what the ipod did for the mp3 player market.

Apple is setting the groundwork already with Mobile Me, itunes app store, and iwork.com.

A 9", 1.4 pound, atom based, macbook mini running snow leopard for under $500.00 would be a killer device.
 
What makes you think that it would be slower? Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that determines the performance of the system? Using the Ion, the mini would have a lot faster GPU than it currently does. And the CPU-performance is acceptable for most tasks, especially with the newer Atom-models Intel will soon release.


Jeez, everyone obviously had large sip of that GPU Kool-Aid.

GPUs will NOT make up for a weak CPU unless you have a very specific application running. And certainly not that weak little graphics processing unit in an integrated chipset.

And what "newer Atom-models" are you talking about? The current dual-core SMT model (aka the 330) was their best shot in a long while. There will never be an Atom CPU, which is even in far sight of any current desktop class processor. Just as there will never be an ARM CPU in range of a desktop CPU. This is because these cores were not designed to be fast, but to be cheap and less power hungry.
 
You FAR too optimistic about the potential of OpenCL. Please read about it first before you make assumptions like these.
Offloading taks to the GPU CAN and WILL accelerate a few certain tasks, mainly de/encoding or video/audio processing. For the vast majority of tasks, it won't do anything. There is a reason why a computer is still based on a multipurpose processor and not on a beefed-up high-MIPS DSP. GPUs have become more flexible over the years, but they are still in a completely different class, which makes it impossible to run many everyday tasks on it efficiently.

And don't forget: offloading to the GPU makes sense, if the GPU is fast. It is certainly NOT fast in an integrated chipset.

That's a good point. I've been shocked to see how poorly most GPUs do against a Core 2 quad when encoding video. It basically takes Nvidia's highest end stuff to do much better (and even then it's not this astronomical difference).
 
What are you talking about? What makes you think the netbook market is saturated?

Basically, the netbook market didn't even start until Sept. 2008 when Dell, Acer, & Hp started making the Atom Minibooks.

I would say that the market is just getting started and most likely will be the primary future of computing. Small powerful portable devices matched with cloud computing.

Apple needs an entry soon. Who here doesn't think that Apple could make a killer Netbook that will do for the Netbook market what the ipod did for the mp3 player market.

Apple is setting the groundwork already with Mobile Me, itunes app store, and iwork.com.

A 9", 1.4 pound, atom based, macbook mini running snow leopard for under $500.00 would be a killer device.

The netbook market started in 2007 with the eepc, you clearly dont know much about netbooks.

Apple already has the Macbook Air

Business models. End of story.
 
Still don't see them using Atom. How would Garageband and iMovie run on it? iLife would run like crap. Anything outside of Safari and Mail would run terrible. Well video playback would be fine, but thats why I see Atom for Apple TV.
Even iWork would be slow.
 
Anyone know if the CPU in my MBP is soldered in?
Does Atom use the same socket as C2D?
I'm asking because I want to replace this POS 2.2 ghz C2D I currently have with one of them Atom processors.
I don't know why Intel bothers to make anything else...
 
If the Macbook Air costs 1799 which is meant to be the simple task notebook in the lineup. What makes you guys think Apple will release a smaller crappier notebook for under $400? :confused:
 
Anyone know if the CPU in my MBP is soldered in?
Does Atom use the same socket as C2D?
I'm asking because I want to replace this POS 2.2 ghz C2D I currently have with one of them Atom processors.
I don't know why Intel bothers to make anything else...

Okay, now I'm going to look silly...you're joking, right? :D
 
If the Macbook Air costs 1799 which is meant to be the simple task notebook in the lineup. What makes you guys think Apple will release a smaller crappier notebook for under $400? :confused:

The entire rest of the industry can? :confused:

Nah, that pretty much means they won't :D

Personally I just don't get the Air. Seems like there are so many better, slightly bigger notebooks, or much cheaper, much smaller netbook-esque things. Even Sony's new P (I'd pick one of those up if it were $400ish :( )
 
No!!

I don't like this RUMOR. But its just a RUMOR.
I don't believe it. They stick with the Core 2 Duo.
Lets just wait and see. I think Apple will have a Desktop Mac event by the end of March.

The iMac, Mac Pro and Definitely the Mac Mini are over dude for updates. Also Apple should be updating the the Cinema Displays too. I think thats more than enough new product to make an event for them. Apple is still waiting for the new Xeon's for the Mac Pro so it will probably be shortly after that. This is just what I think though.
 
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