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'Intel Based Mac' Rumor Roundup...

Laurent said:
I'm getting tired of people mixing unstable platforms with Intel hardware. Intel makes great CPU.
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F00F bug? No division? Overheating prescott? The mistake that was Pentium 4 (slower than PIII when it was released, and now they're giving up on P4 and going back to Pentium M which is based on the PIII)? Still no consumer 64bit processor when they've been available from other manufacturers for two years?
Intel's CPUs are far from great.

emotion said:
i have used linux for over 10 years and whilst it's not bad now it's a long long way from an alternative to macosx.
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I find Linux much faster, more compatible, more powerful, and easier to use than OS X. But that's just me.
 
I'm starting to wonder more and more about this rumour..
Apple is supposed to be opening something like 25 more stores worldwide in the next year.If they switched to X86 I don't think the retail portion of Apple would hold up under that type of pressure..
Doesn't make sense.Opening new stores then making a switch that could keep those stores from opening..
Something's afoul here folks..
It's either a leak to find the moles or Intel is gonna make the new and improved PPC.
 
dodonutter said:
Anyone read the comment in the first intel thread about the fact that there seems to be FSL and FSL-B (Freescale Semiconductor Inc ie Motos chip builders) on the stock market at the moment, and FSL-B seems to be quite young (ie around a week or so old according to yahoo finance and according to bloomberg its been around since Dec '04)
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Yes, there are two classes of Freescale common stock. It's an artifact of the spinoff from Motorola, nothing more.
 
Wow

I still can't believe MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and AppleInsider were out-scooped by the WSJ and CNET. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still very skeptical; I can't just believe it because 'credible' organizations say it is so. Also, if this means ANY inconveniance to to me (loss of apps, etc), I am ready to throw in the towel. I've sat through the move to PPC and the switch to OS X. Boo-hoo. :mad:
 
Okay, I just read from page 5-15 over the past 45 minutes, and I'm not feeling any better.

No real good for Apple can come out of this, and its current customer base will be put on a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean to fend for themselves. We're a small group as it is, and a switch to x86 would just kill us. Our systems become a "dead OS" and I see no support for true Macs from Apple after the move to Intel. I know I'm going into panic mode, but really guys, this isn't good for us Mac folks.

Unless Jobs has a big, amazing, super-duper plan that we don't know about, we can kiss our beloved Macs goodbye. EEk!

On a side note, I can't fully believe this yet. WWDC is all PPC based for Developers. If the keynote has anything about an x86 switch, developers will be leaving in droves. Why devote time and effort to this now dead PPC architecture?

Ph well, the golden years of Mac seem to be over. I'm sure glad I've been a part of them...

On the other hand, if Itel began to make PPCs, I would be okay with that. But as you all assure me, that won't happen.
 
dodonutter said:
Now i know nothing about the stock-market but is this indicative of anything? Whoever discovered this and posted first (sorry i can't remember who you are) suggested that Intel could have bought FSL-B and use them to produce PPC chips for apple.
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Turns out it was only internal shares or something (or so someone told me, can't remember who either).
 
I find it pretty odd that Thinksecret has yet to chime in on this topic. Either to prove or disprove the story. Today they simply posted about 10.4.2 being seeded to devs.
 
Fender said:
I find it pretty odd that Thinksecret has yet to chime in on this topic. Either to prove or disprove the story. Today they simply posted about 10.4.2 being seeded to devs.
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Thinksecret is in over their heads with the recent lawsuits and can't say anything without the big risk of losing their website.
 
Fender said:
I find it pretty odd that Thinksecret has yet to chime in on this topic. Either to prove or disprove the story. Today they simply posted about 10.4.2 being seeded to devs.
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Maybe c/net and WSJ's info is coming from the intel camp and not Apples.
 
Thank you very much, arn, for the detailed wrap-up.

arn said:
true, but "Big Brother" in the 1984 Commercial was supposed to represent IBM.

arn
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Very good point. I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned in the other thread (I don't think so at least, it's a long thread).

So if these rumors about Apple and Intel are true, Apple will simply be switching from one "devil" to another (rdowns' avatar "devil inside" made me think of that).

I've been accused in the past of being a conspiracy theorist, but still—does anyone think it's possible that IBM wasn't trying their hardest to get faster G5s out because of this? The "Big Brother" commercial is perhaps the most memorable and celebrated commercial in TV history, after all, at least as far as the computer industry is concerned.

IBM obviously couldn't come right out and say so or do anything that would make it obvious they weren't fully devoted to helping Apple succeed, but couldn't IBM have told Apple "Yes, Steve, we'll definitely have 3 GHz G5s out by the mid 2004 at the very latest!" (snicker, snicker) while not putting the necessary resources into making this a reality? Apple does represent a small portion of IBM's business and any missed deadlines could be blamed on real technological hurdles (heat issues, etc.) that IBM was less than committed to overcoming.

Would Apple fare any better with Intel? As has been mentioned many times, Jobs has been demonizing Intel for so long, what incentive would Intel have to make chips for Apple that would compete with or outperform those it already supplies in 90% or so of computers? Just some thoughts...

If Apple does move away from IBM, it is completely justified in my opinion since they didn't come close to meeting the 3 GHz deadline (we can assume Steve didn't pull that number out of thin air). But switching to another devil might be dangerous in terms of public image and the fact that Apple would still represent a small fraction of the total business in Intel. I don't see Apple as being one of Intel's top priorities...

Maybe Steve just likes the idea of using former adversaries to get what he wants?? David not only slaying Goliath but using Goliath's sword to do so??

Whatever Apple does, I just hope they stay competitive. With the mindshare turning away from Windows and towards Apple, any perceived failure or misstep at this point could be very damaging in the long term for Apple.
 
Peace said:
Thinksecret is in over their heads with the recent lawsuits and can't say anything without the big risk of losing their website.
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Precisely. If they came out and said something, it would be foolhardy. Mind you, if they do have the goods, it must be awfully tough for them to keep it under wraps. After all, rumors is what they do!
 
when intel was mentioned my initial thought was XScale for the video-pod/tablet. i've since got swept along with intel x86 conjecture (why would intel license PPC, that does not make any sense) but i suspect this might be just be xscale after all.

and the leak from apple was probably deliberate to give IBM(and moto) a corporate slap for being useless.

heh heh we'll see tomorrow but all this double thinking etc is fun.
 
Fender said:
I find it pretty odd that Thinksecret has yet to chime in on this topic. Either to prove or disprove the story. Today they simply posted about 10.4.2 being seeded to devs.
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Im thinking that points very strongly to a deal (well one-sided demand) from apple saying 'don't say anything about Intel and you get to stay alive'

Or this is one insanely crazy mole hunt and thinksecret are staying schtum to protect him/her (if there still in place)

Theres something very very odd about this whole intel thing, nothing seems to make complete sense, its pretty disturbing
 
Peace said:
Thinksecret is in over their heads with the recent lawsuits and can't say anything without the big risk of losing their website.
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Remember how dead on they were about Powermac updates? That was after Apple filed the lawsuit. I'm not sure Thinksecret is afraid of losing.

The other thing I noted on the other huge thread was how MacMinute hasn't opened their mouths. They're one of the sites that is being paid off by Apple.
 
I can't/don't want to believe we're switching to x86 processors.

The Inquirer is also reporting we could switch to AMDs as well... :eek:

The only possible things that I want to see tomorrow are:

- These rumors are shot down and are completely wrong. We'll stay with the PPC for a long time, maybe a PowerMac G5 3 GHz (finally) at the high-end to prove the allegiance to the PPC.
- That special tablet Mac. Let that run on an Intel processor. That really wouldn't matter to me.
- Intel provides a new PPC chip line. The next-gen consoles are using PPC-based chips. Intel must be scared now. The only business they have are in computers. And that can also become a possible loss, too. Switching to PPC or at least providing a line of PPC chips would let them survive. I also remember there was quite a shock when Apple announced they were partnering with IBM (their arch rival) and Motorola to create the PPC architecture. Let's toss in Intel into that equation. It'll just once again be shocking, but acceptable.

I'm hoping we'll have one of those last minute leaks that just gives summarizes everything we'll see tomorrow. For once I want the Keynote surprise to be ruined! :eek:

I just think this will be a truly messy migration. Toss in emulation and that still won't be able to ease anything.

One more frickin' day...
 
autrefois said:
IBM obviously couldn't come right out and say so or do anything that would make it obvious they weren't fully devoted to helping Apple succeed, but couldn't IBM have told Apple "Yes, Steve, we'll definitely have 3 GHz G5s out by the mid 2004 at the very latest!" (snicker, snicker) while not putting the necessary resources into making this a reality? Apple does represent a small portion of IBM's business and any missed deadlines could be blamed on real technological hurdles (heat issues, etc.) that IBM was less than committed to overcoming.
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And cripple their own JS20 blades in the process? Blades are a rapidly growing market where IBM are leading, why would they intentionally put that in jeopardy?
 
Superhob said:
What if Apple introduces an Intel based ibook on Monday?
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I refuse to believe that Apple would shoot themselves in the foot by making the announcement without the concurrent introduction of intel hardware running Tiger to bolster their position.
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Agreed. I saw all the rumors on thursday/friday of last week, made a snap decision and sold my powerbook G4 (for what i paid for it) within 3 hours on Friday night on eBay. Personally I think it was the last day for G4's to keep their value. Something new and big is coming. Sure, I might have made a mistake, but regardless, I can always find a powerbook for around the same $$ that I just sold mine for (or even less after 06/06) and I'm looking for an upgrade anyway, this gave me an excuse to get a new one.
 
dodonutter said:
That about sums it up i think...tomorrow is gonna be stressful (And i have an exam :( )
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Hehe, I know how you feel...I'm supposed to be revising and all I can think of is looking at this site! Maybe my uni will accept mitigating cultural circumstances for reconsideration of what will probably be a horrible exam grade??

Anyways, I hope Intel plans on making PPC. I can't stand the idea of emulation and recompiling...eeeeh...especially when I associate Intel w/instability...lol.
 
Fender said:
That's from the original report from the WSJ, not Friday's news which termed the deal as 'official'.
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I don't think TS would have a problem talking about Apple+Intel if they knew anything about it.
 
Exactly

Fender said:
I find it pretty odd that Thinksecret has yet to chime in on this topic. Either to prove or disprove the story. Today they simply posted about 10.4.2 being seeded to devs.
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You would think at least 1 rumor site would catch a leak!
 
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