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Jonathan Amend said:

Imagine, Apple going with Intel for portables and AMD for desktops. The absolute best of their specialized categories. And the flexibility to switch between the two when the seesaw swings back and forth.

Imagine a time when Apple will always have the absolute best of the processor world in it's computers.
 
MacTruck said:
Its offical boys and girls. Oh boy. :eek:

So when CNet and WSJ talk about it, it's still speculative, but once The Inquirier jumps on board, that makes it official?! I'll assume you meant this as a joke, please use better emoticons next time. :p ;)
 
Jonathan Amend said:

Okay, I might still buy a Mac if it has Intel or AMD inside...but if they start putting those asinine stickers on the palmrests...I'm so Audi. :rolleyes:

The Inquirer said:
More importantly, they also said that Apple was playing the AMD card at full force, so don't be too surprised if a green logo shows up on some models.
 
the transition may not take as long as we all think. who knows how long apple has known about this.

it could be the reason why tiger was so delayed...they were writing both versions of it. seems impractical, but who knows.
 
ZicklePop said:
Does this mean the mac will run on a Dell or others?

If it's a small mac. If it's a big one, it might fall off. Also, I wouldn't put it on a Dell tipped sideways.
 
~Shard~ said:
So when CNet and WSJ talk about it, it's still speculative, but once The Inquirier jumps on board, that makes it official?! I'll assume you meant this as a joke, please use better emoticons next time. :p ;)


I didn't mean it as a joke. Take a look at the article. It says:

"THE RUMOURED APPLE MOVE to x86 is true, the INQIORER has gotten independent confirmation of this."

No other news source has said that. They all just refer to the CNET article. Now the original CNET article could have been a mistake, other news sources are citing that article so if CNET made a mistake they all did but this Inqiorer says they got independent confirmation so its like a second source. Me thinks anyways.
 
musiclover137 said:
the transition may not take as long as we all think. who knows how long apple has known about this.

it could be the reason why tiger was so delayed...they were writing both versions of it. seems impractical, but who knows.
Writing two versions would almost screw Apple over because then everyone who just bought the PPC version gets pissed, however paying the employees to do both versions probably will pay off - tons of people bought OS X (EDIT: Tiger) for PPC, now they will be buying new hardware and new versions of OS X - more money. Either way I hope its just a cover for PPC 970MPs
 
sord said:
Writing two versions would almost screw Apple over because then everyone who just bought the PPC version gets pissed, however paying the employees to do both versions probably will pay off - tons of people bought OS X (EDIT: Tiger) for PPC, now they will be buying new hardware and new versions of OS X - more money. Either way I hope its just a cover for PPC 970MPs

Maybe to ease the transition Apple might adopt a trade in program. That would help alot and I can see it happening. Like if you bought a system or Tiger in the past 3 months from today you will get 75% off of a new system with your trade in or something like that.
 
While the Inquirer does seem to have some good articles, they also mix satire articles and real ones in a pretty ad hoc fashion. Right now, for instance, look at the article directly below this one on their front page! :eek: :rolleyes: I don't know that they're so high on the rumors food chain.

But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see!
 
Switch.

Apple keeps PPCs as the primary chip for their computers. They may also announce dual-core G4 and/or G5 chips, which are both under development by Freescale and IBM, respectively.

However, the current PPC chipset for low-end, G4-based machines, changes dramatically. The new chipset, made by Intel, has a built-in x86-64 processor. Or, there is a separate Intel x86-64 processor, but for low-end machines, a single-chip solution is more likely.

Apple plans to stay with the PPC as their primary architecture. Eventually, high-end, G5-based machines also have a secondary x86-64 processor, perhaps even a dual-core one.

Sample configurations:
Mini Mac: 1.5GHz G4 + 1.5GHz Pentium M derivative
Powerbook: Dual-core 1.7GHZ G4 + 1.7GHz Pentium M derivative
G5 tower: Dual-Core 3.0GHz PPC750MP + 3.0GHz dual-core Pentium D derivative

Why add an x86-64 processor to the mix ? Apple has been working with dynamic recompilation technology. Intel has been working on virtualisation. Alongside with a re-implementation of Windows libraries, perhaps based on an enhanced Wine...

Macs will be able to run Windows software natively.

You will be able to install most Windows applications and run them at native speeds, without having to run Windows. If you need to, you will also be able to run Windows itself at native speeds.

As we know, Tiger can run on x86-64, and dynamic recompilation can make PPC apps run, albeit imperfectly and rather slowly, on x86-64. However, Apple will not switch away from PPC; Mac applications will still be written for PPC. If there are computationally expensive operations that can be parallelised, applications could be written to take advantage of the secondary processor.

So, the secondary processor will be used by the OS, by Windows applications, and by specially-modified applications that run partly on PPC and partly on x86-64.

Developers will be able to port their Windows applications to Macs very quickly; they will keep most of their application intact during the porting process. With Wine, the Win32 frontend will be dynamically translated into Cocoa, and will be tweakable at run-time, by a front-end extender. So, with minor tweaks, an x86 or x86-64 Windows application will become a Mac application. Of course, developers will be encouraged to keep making fully native PPC applications, because PPC remains for the main processors of the Macs.

How can Apple do this ? Well, Intel chips are inexpensive. A basic Intel processor costs about 50$, and a dual-core costs about 200$. For lower-end machines, the processor can be integrated with the chipset, further reducing costs. As for higher-end machines, they've already got two G5 processors - and will instead get a dual-core G5 and a dual-core Intel processor, which won't increase the price from current levels.

Has Apple got the technology right now ? No. They've only got prototypes, and that's why we won't see this before 2006 at the earliest, and then again, only with a few select models.

What is the greatest advantage of doing this ? Total Windows compatibility. No longer will there be a reason not to get a Mac, since it runs all Windows applications at native speeds. You couldn't switch because you depended on specific Windows applications that would never get ported, and you couldn't stand running an emulator ? Problem solved.

The new Mac Mini runs all your software, Mac and Windows. It's not expensive, and it's better than any PC. You can no longer hide behind a lack of support for your favourite applications.

Switch.
 
MacTruck said:
I didn't mean it as a joke. Take a look at the article. It says:

"THE RUMOURED APPLE MOVE to x86 is true, the INQIORER has gotten independent confirmation of this."

No other news source has said that. They all just refer to the CNET article. Now the original CNET article could have been a mistake, other news sources are citing that article so if CNET made a mistake they all did but this Inqiorer says they got independent confirmation so its like a second source. Me thinks anyways.

Dude, it's the Inquirer, they're not quite at the same level. :p ;) Seriously though, I'm not saying this Intel rumor isn't true, and that The Inquirer hasn't picked up on something as well, but I definitely don't think their article warrants "official confirmation" - it's The Inquirer after all... seriously...
 
Just a thought, if OS X moves to Pentium 4s, does that mean I can use this in my computer then?! :eek:

zalman_big_cooler.jpg
 
~Shard~ said:
Dude, it's the Inquirer, they're not quite at the same level. :p ;) Seriously though, I'm not saying this Intel rumor isn't true, and that The Inquirer hasn't picked up on something as well, but I definitely don't think their article warrants "official confirmation" - it's The Inquirer after all... seriously...


Yeah, you're probably right. Oh what a hoax this might turn out to be. Next Jobs steps down and Elvis takes his place.
 
What if Apple introduces an Intel based ibook on Monday?

They can't just simply make the announcement and expect people to wait for 1 year before the "new" macs show up. This would be devestating for their sales from now until the time they release the new macs.

I think they will introduce a new machine (ibook or other) on Monday to go along with the announcement. This way, they will calm the fears of anyone who thinks that this move will be very difficult and time consuming.

I refuse to believe that Apple would shoot themselves in the foot by making the announcement without the concurrent introduction of intel hardware running Tiger to bolster their position.
 
Superhob said:
What if Apple introduces an Intel based ibook on Monday?

They can't just simply make the announcement and expect people to wait for 1 year before the "new" macs show up. This would be devestating for their sales from now until the time they release the new macs.

I think they will introduce a new machine (ibook or other) on Monday to go along with the announcement. This way, they will calm the fears of anyone who thinks that this move will be very difficult and time consuming.

I refuse to believe that Apple would shoot themselves in the foot by making the announcement without any intel hardware running Tiger to bolster their position.
didn't think of that. sounds like an apple thing to do
 
or many years now maintaining market share has been far more essential to apple than gaining anything, anywhere, at any level of profit.

For most companies this is true. But not completely so for Apple. If you read various interviews, etc., Steve Jobs and company always talk about how their goal is to make great products, and sell them profitably, which allows them to continue designing new great products...

Of course, market share is a part of this. And I personally really want Mac market share to grow the next couple of years. But whether it grows or stays roughly the same, Apple is making more money than ever, and the Mac platform will still continue and for the most part thrive (if in its own self-contained ecology.) Sure much of the recent profits is iPod derived, but the iPod is a great product which is just as representative of Apple as the Mac.
 
MacTruck said:
I disagree, look how high apple's stock rose in May when these same rumors came out. It will jump on Monday through the roof I assure you.
Maybe, but how will it look a year from now? This will only be sustainable if intel is making ppc-like chips for apple, imo.
 
Apple making macs and pc's

How about this, Apple makes macs, high quality, well regarded in customer service and hardware. Cool computers in design that others try to imitate. People say Apple is a hardware company. Apple starts manufacturing pc's that run windows, based on the inovative styles as they do now. There is obviously a demand since every new model style Apple releases is copied by someone to a pc alternative. Just look at Alienware if you think Apple doesn't have a chance in the wintel market.
Either that or some kind of wireless product. :p
 
More importantly, they also said that Apple was playing the AMD card at full force, so don't be too surprised if a green logo shows up on some models.

I think that's great news. After all, there's no reason why Apple would have to only buy x86 from Intel. They could just as easily buy Intel chips for notebooks, and AMD chips for desktops, or some other combination.

I would guess that they will start by releasing Intel-based hardware first. But in the meantime they will have spent plenty of time with AMD hardware to figure out which models might benefit from using AMD CPU's. Maybe the top-of-the-line PowerMacs will end up with AMD inside.
 
I would agree with the Intel Mac launch of an ibook on Monday as well. The will have to kick out something quick to keep people loyal. If so I am buying one. It will be interesting.
 
Steve's so going to get booed at WWDC if this is true -- angry programmers with pitchforks, faced with a major productivity setback in the form of having to port everything, come to mind.

Last time there was a booing, it was actually Bill Gates on the receiving end -- not this time.

Ah well, it means clearance sale on PPCs if and when the switch to IA32 comes.
 
hernick said:
Why add an x86-64 processor to the mix ? Apple has been working with dynamic recompilation technology. Intel has been working on virtualisation. Alongside with a re-implementation of Windows libraries, perhaps based on an enhanced Wine...

Macs will be able to run Windows software natively.

You will be able to install most Windows applications and run them at native speeds, without having to run Windows. If you need to, you will also be able to run Windows itself at native speeds.

As we know, Tiger can run on x86-64, and dynamic recompilation can make PPC apps run, albeit imperfectly and rather slowly, on x86-64. However, Apple will not switch away from PPC; Mac applications will still be written for PPC. If there are computationally expensive operations that can be parallelised, applications could be written to take advantage of the secondary processor.

So, the secondary processor will be used by the OS, by Windows applications, and by specially-modified applications that run partly on PPC and partly on x86-64.

Everything you say here is interesting and technically feasible, but I really doubt that Apple (read: Jobs) will want to produce a solution with such a lack of elegance. I mean, even though Windows apps could potentially be made to run "natively" in OS X via something Wine-like, the interface guidlines are vastly different for the two OS's, and having to use apps designed with two different UI philosophies in mind is going to be a nightmare for many users. Steve is not going to let this happen to his precious OS X.
 
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