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Intel CEO Expands on Desire to Make Apple Silicon Chips, Touts 'Competitive Fun' With Apple
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Meteor Lake is barely at 7nm, and isn't even finalized yet, and they're struggling with it. TSMC is moving towards 4nm and 3nm right now, so Intel would be way far behind to catch up. That's why they are trying to play buddy buddy with Apple now.
Not for nothing, but Verizon slammed Apple for 2 years because of the early exclusivity ATT had with the iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS. But look how buddy buddy Verizon was when they finally got the iPhone 4.
I'm not saying that I agree with Intel and what they are trying to do, but they did have their chances, blew it, now are slamming them, and now then want back. If that doesn't scream "world of hurt", I don't know what does.
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Agree, only TSMC and Samsung currently... it will be great to see competition though it will take Intel at least 5 years for this to be “meaningful”
I guess it's similar to the relationship between Samsung and Apple, where Samsung blasts Apples in adverts and then Apple buys millions of dollars of chip and/or screens from Samsung.
His tone seems to imply that NSA has finally woken up and is taking action to correct the pathway. Soon we will see Intel leap through TSMC and Samsung, with revolutionary technology that is generations ahead.
One suspects an intel shareholder or three was unhappy with the recent ad shenanigans.
Intel is barely on their 10nm process in designing x86-64 processors, but the Apple M processors use a different architecture, ARM, so comparing these two processes may not be possible. I am not a chip designer, but I am pondering your observation
Yes, that’s correct. TSMC has only just reached 5nm and so far, it’s only Apple that has 5nm products (I think). There’s no high-end 5nm product just like Intel does not have any high-end 10nm products. Hopefully they don’t have any more delays in their foundries though.
I agree, Apple needs to do a price reduction across the board if they want to stay relevant. The HomePod could not compete because it was so much more expensive than competitors which were just as good. The iMac Pro faced a similar fate. We need lower prices for iDevices and Macs all the way from the Mac Mini to the fully maxed out Mac Pro. Let's see it happen!
um, they gave you the homepod mini, didn't they? and if the imac pro is too expensive(which it completely is(was) why not go with a 'regular' one?.. do you really expect apple to do a price reduction across the board? let's be real.
"We'd love their money." is what he's saying. They'd be happy to take on manufacturing for anyone. It'd allow them access to many patents too.
Who wouldn't want that? I'm sure Amazon would love to have Microsoft host their services in AWS and take their millions for doing so.
Who wouldn't want that? I'm sure Amazon would love to have Microsoft host their services in AWS and take their millions for doing so.
You obviously don't get it.
Cardinal rule #1 states if anyone or any company says or does anything bad to Apple, defend Apple. No exceptions.
If it's Apple who's trashing another company or competitor (e.g. Apple vs Microsoft even though Microsoft saved Apple, Apple G3, G4, G5 vs Intel even though Apple eventually embraced Intel chips and kept Apple computers competitive), side with Apple no matter what.
Anther example: Apple found to be guilty of patent infringement? Side with Apple while labeling the patent holder a patent troll and patent should be revoked.
Not siding with Apple is blasphemy.
Intel’s ads were just weird. Comparing MacBooks to PCs with Intel chips, while Intel isn’t even a computer maker. Stick to comparing just the chips themselves, I’ll take it more seriously.
This is true of course, but it is a reflection of Intel’s failure to innovate not anything Apple has done. Apple has tried repeatedly to give Intel business and Intel mucks it up.
While Intel's own process is "stuck" at larger die sizes, they should be able to fab other folk's designs at smaller sizes.
So Intel might not be able to make a 5nm CPU on their architecture, but they should be able to make a 5nm Apple SoC (once they have a 5nm fab, of course).
Intel to ASML: I want to order X amount of your EUV machines, want them this year.
ASML: Come back in 2025.
ASML: Come back in 2025.
I'm talking about the process node of the physical silicon, the foundries that Intel thinks they can make Apple M series CPUs with.Intel is barely on their 10nm process in designing x86-64 processors, but the Apple M processors use a different architecture, ARM, so comparing these two processes may not be possible. I am not a chip designer, but I am pondering your observation
Intel doesn't have anything that competes with TSMC's 5nm that is already being used.
Intel has been getting their butts handed to them on process nodes by TSMC for the past several years and has shown no signs of catching up. But yeah, they wanna make Apple CPUs lol.
He (Gelsinger) stated that they will tape out their 7nm product in Q2’21... if he weren’t confident he would never make such a statement, if there were another delay after this announcement, he’ll be out as CEO and he’s not a dumb guy.Intel is barely on their 10nm process in designing x86-64 processors, but the Apple M processors use a different architecture, ARM, so comparing these two processes may not be possible. I am not a chip designer, but I am pondering your observation