Intel CEO Expands on Desire to Make Apple Silicon Chips, Touts 'Competitive Fun' With Apple

[martinX]

That said, wonder what’s going on here: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...chipmaking-factory-in-san-jose-california.htm

From the link:

The listing of the property also stated that it is able to produce a wide range of products with several technology nodes covering 90nm to 600nm, with most of the production being at 180nm to 350nm.

They might need to tighten those numbers a bit

 

[koruki]

That’s called competition. You do this all the time.
Apple used to mock Microsoft all the time (“Redmond start your photocopiers!”) and in the same breath tout in their Mac ads that Microsoft makes Office for macs.

yes except Intel's ad literally have no weight and are just laughed at not with

 

[koruki]

If you’re American and you’re cheering against Intel I think you need to think more about this situation, and how eventually, that will impact you.
You want your country to be competitive in the global landscape. It is sad that Apple (an American company) has to look to a foreign country for its chip making needs, when there’s Intel still around just down the road.

it’s bad for the American industry ultimately if Intel were to die.

I think if someone is American, they should be a believer in the free market and capitalism and know they can't just get buy with sub-par products. They shouldn't expect a company to succeed purely on nationality but on merit.

 

[Freeangel1]

GO INTEL!

 

[Woochoo]

It is sad that Apple (an American company) has to look to a foreign country for its chip making needs, when there’s Intel still around just down the road.

Intel is struggling to make their 10nm (which is equivalent to 7nm TSCM) to the point of still releasing 14nm CPUs as they don't have enough yields. To be able to compete with TSMC's 5nm they'd have to be on their 7nm in huge amounts. Apple turns into a foreign company because they have no other option.

 

[cmaier]

From the link:


They might need to tighten those numbers a bit

It’s a weird thing to say - a ”property“ can make any node you want, if you fill the property with appropriate equipment. I guess they’re saying that when Apple got the property, they also got all the fab equipment?

 

[szw-mapple fan]

If you’re American and you’re cheering against Intel I think you need to think more about this situation, and how eventually, that will impact you.
You want your country to be competitive in the global landscape. It is sad that Apple (an American company) has to look to a foreign country for its chip making needs, when there’s Intel still around just down the road.

it’s bad for the American industry ultimately if Intel were to die.

Intel is in the current position because of its own mismanagement and stagnation in development. There is nothing inherently special about being an American company that makes it better. If you want less foreign companies in the supply chain you should cheer on its more successful competitors right now so Intel works harder to build its own competitiveness.

 

[teknikal90]

Intel is struggling to make their 10nm (which is equivalent to 7nm TSCM) to the point of still releasing 14nm CPUs as they don't have enough yields. To be able to compete with TSMC's 5nm they'd have to be on their 7nm in huge amounts. Apple turns into a foreign company because they have no other option.

I think we all know that... not my point though

 

[hot-gril]

If you’re American and you’re cheering against Intel I think you need to think more about this situation, and how eventually, that will impact you.
You want your country to be competitive in the global landscape. It is sad that Apple (an American company) has to look to a foreign country for its chip making needs, when there’s Intel still around just down the road.

it’s bad for the American industry ultimately if Intel were to die.

Yeah it's bad, but who is supposed to do something about that, and what should they do? Sure I want Intel to just make better CPUs, but that's unlikely.

 

[az431]

Translation: Apple is going to the moon and we want to hang on their coat tails.

And that's a bad business decision?

 

[Rigby]

Intel is struggling to make their 10nm (which is equivalent to 7nm TSCM) to the point of still releasing 14nm CPUs as they don't have enough yields.

The "Rocket Lake" is actually kind of cool for gamers, where power consumption doesn't matter so much and single core performance is important. That thing clocks up to 5.3 GHz, whereas the latest Zen 3 Ryzens on TSMC 7nm top out at 4.x. 14nm's hot last hurray.

To be able to compete with TSMC's 5nm they'd have to be on their 7nm in huge amounts. Apple turns into a foreign company because they have no other option.

TSMC 5nm is currently used for low-power CPUs for mobile devices, and has limited frequency scaling. Not Intel's primary market.

 

[az431]

I’m not a CEO but I can imagine mocking a hopefully future client isn’t the best way to win them over

Apple couldn't care less. If it's in their best interest they will sign Intel on to fab chips. The rest is noise.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Yeah. Competition is fun indeed. Apple always used tech from competitors on their products. If this happens, would be business as usual.

 

[az431]

Well if you can't beat them, join them.

Intel and Apple are not competitors. Unless I missed where Apple was shipping chips to OEMs.

 

[3xBoom]

Who cares what Intel said in their commercials. Not many things will stop Apple from making $$$ if it can. Nvidia being an odd one there.

 

[Zdigital2015]

At the end of the day, if Apple decides to use Intel as a contract fab/foundry it will be on Apple’s terms and not Intel’s, which means that Intel won’t be able to sing and dance their way out of missing production targets the way they have dropped the ball in getting process nodes and yields. Intel won’t be able to make excuses for not being able to deliver. If they do, the penalties are harsh.

That being said, doing business with Intel is like going back to a bad relationship with the ex who always talks about a future together but knocks on your door at 2AM drink and not fully clothed saying the club was bangin’. My advice - slam the door in their face and don’t give them a second thought. Bad Karma.

 

[User-One]

It is not dying anytime soon. They have loads of cash. They do have to wise up, though. Intel’s leadership has been stuck for long. It just not Apple, AMD too is better in almost almost their whole processor offering.

When Intel is not expanding people are sitting at home out of work. They employ a large amount of people indirectly through contractors. In my area there are people who will spend their entire career at Intel as an employee of a contractor. If they can manufacture m1 chips for Apple it will give a boost to the US economy.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

yes except Intel's ad literally have no weight and are just laughed at not with

Much like Apple was 15 years ago. Actually, it was in a way way way worst position when they turned to Intel. I really liked SJ. He has shown he cared far more for his company than any of the zealots back than. Same now, people hoping that Apple brilliance is somehow a product of their choices as customers. Well, it isn’t. People in general just love to be on the side of winners. Somehow makes them feel that they belong to winners group.

It will be a lot of fun the next few years.

 

[Rigby]

When Intel is not expanding people are sitting at home out of work. They employ a large amount of people indirectly through contractors. In my area there are people who will spend their entire career at Intel as an employee of a contractor. If they can manufacture m1 chips for Apple it will give a boost to the US economy.

The A-series chips for their phones and iPads would be a far more interesting deal, since the volume is orders of magnitude bigger than Mx will ever be ...

 

[rafark]

Bye felicia.

 

[trigf]

I wish an interviewer would have the balls to flat-out ask him why they are attacking Apple in advertising, going as far as to hire Justin Long to push Intel notebooks over Macs. That's a very obvious dig and comes across as nothing more than Intel being mean-spirited.

Screw this, "We're just poking a little fun," bs. Apple was a big win for them 15 years ago, and just like Motorola and IBM, they couldn't keep up. I still remember going from 8 hours of usable battery life on my iBook G4 to less than 5 on my white MacBook.

 

[torontodough]

Samsung and Apple have been going at it for over a decade and they're still suppliers for the iPhone screen.

Different case. Why should Apple choose Intel instead of TMSC? M1 works well now. It brings down the price of macs and we consumers love it. Fck intel just want to leech M1 craze. Clear Intel sucks now and is resorting to marketing gimmicks and leeching. Pathetic. Apple will also ditch Samsung for BOE (the new screen provider)

 

[jdiamond]

Except the only reason Apple has TSMC as the only supplier is because after trying for years, Samsung's chips weren't good enough. And Samsung is leagues ahead of Intel. I think the big flaw here is that IF Intel became THAT good at manufacturing that Apple would consider using them, then they probably wouldn't need foundry work at all, because then their OWN chips would be competitive and they could go back to selling their own chips.

 

[lolkthxbai]

Samsung and Apple have been going at it for over a decade and they're still suppliers for the iPhone screen.

That’s because no one could do it better. If Intel were TMSC then your comment would be applicable

 

[macinfojunkie]

The only thing going to the moon is Apples prices as of late.

Actually - adjusted for inflation is that true?

I seem to recall the first Powerbooks were like £2,000 - back when that was many months salary rather than more likely now a few day’s pay. So in comparative terms they are cheaper I suppose. And bang for buck these AS devices looks like they offer a lot more value.