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No ARM-based iPad

I wonder how much this matters to Apple. After all, the intel based computers that Apple sells is a minority. Their big driver is the ARM chip devises, the iOS driven devices.

If rumors are to be believed and Apple comes out with a 12" ipad (and assuming it is ARM based), this will eat into the laptop business and make Apple even less dependent on intel.

The Mac Pro, the mini, the iMac, and the Macbook lines are all intel based, but they acount for a srinking percentage. So the delays may not be that important. Additionally, since I do not think the pin configuration is changing, it may be fairly easy to swap the chips out making for a minor update whenever they show up.

I was open to a 12" ARM iPad until I read an article on ExtremeTech in which Intel claims that "Broadwell will improve battery life by 30 percent or more and will also allow notebooks to be fanless" (emphasis mine).

If Apple releases a 12" fanless form factor, I believe it will be based on Intel's Broadwell chip.


What about the shift to DDR4 memory? The support to DDR4 is the entire point with these new CPUs... :rolleyes:

DDR4 is not supposed to debut until Skylake.
 
What about the shift to DDR4 memory? The support to DDR4 is the entire point with these new CPUs... :rolleyes:
Support for DDR4 will come with Haswell-E, which is a high-end desktop "enthusiast" platform (that Apple probably doesn't care much for), and Skylake due in 2H 2015. Broadwell is just a die shrink of Haswell - the architecture stays the same so it still uses DDR3.


I think you are absolutely correct going by the numbers. I was basing my opinion seeing Apple as the standard bearer for the technology industry, and losing business with them is equivalent to circling the drain (if not a death blow). Intel would very much want to be where Apple is, I don't think they would be happy to share the company of H-P, Dell and their cohorts.
You mean like how IBM went down the drain after they dropped Apple? :rolleyes:
 
Broadwell is a Tick which means it will have a new GPU architecture (along with Die shrink). Iris Pro 2 is supposed to deliver 30-40% more performance than Iris Pro, which by itself already is an amazing IGP.

This will further eliminate the need for dedicated graphics, which means smaller (thinner) laptops and better battery life.

Broadwell is a Tick, Haswell is the previous Tock.

It has die shrink and less power consumption along with the new GPU architecture.

Broadwell is a much better choice than Haswell for all laptops, because it's much smaller (likely thinner laptops), and allows for longer battery life. Also it should produce less heat.

For desktops, you're probably better off waiting for the Skylake processors, which is the next Tock.
 
Support for DDR4 will come with Haswell-E, which is a high-end desktop "enthusiast" platform (that Apple probably doesn't care much for), and Skylake due in 2H 2015. Broadwell is just a die shrink of Haswell - the architecture stays the same so it still uses DDR3.
It still bothers me that unless I wait until next year I will probably still be using the same DDR3-1600 in my next desktop. This stuff was around in 2009. Though the timings are better.
 
So, so, so many people are in this camp.

2012 was the last update. I mean come on.

In their defence it was Late 2012, which means it's been out for ~1.5 years. I can't think of much that could even justify upgrading for myself in ~1.5 years hence.
 
That claim has absolutely no grounds at all, typical Macrumors members :)

But anyway, what do you personally think of the MagSafe connectors?

I think they are great. An excellent feature that more manufacturers should use in some way.
 
In their defence it was Late 2012, which means it's been out for ~1.5 years. I can't think of much that could even justify upgrading for myself in ~1.5 years hence.

For current owners, I agree. For someone without one, it's just not ideal to purchase a "new" Mac Mini that's from late 2012. It should've been updated by now.
 
I think they are great. An excellent feature that more manufacturers should use in some way.

I wonder why none of the other manufacturers are coming up with an original idea that solves that problem just as well (or maybe there is something, I don't really know current laptops too well).
 
Broadwell is a Tick, Haswell is the previous Tock.

It has die shrink and less power consumption along with the new GPU architecture.

Broadwell is a much better choice than Haswell for all laptops, because it's much smaller (likely thinner laptops), and allows for longer battery life. Also it should produce less heat.

For desktops, you're probably better off waiting for the Skylake processors, which is the next Tock.

How much of a laptops thickness is sensitive to the processor unit anymore, especially on soldered processors? I would think that the Storage unit, ports and even power unit components on the motherboard would begin to constrain the thickness. I can understand a reduction in X,Y plane - but am not too sure squeezing the processor unit to be even thinner will bring out without drastic changes to laptop thickness - without changes to other standard components on the motherboard.
 
How much of a laptops thickness is sensitive to the processor unit anymore, especially on soldered processors? I would think that the Storage unit, ports and even power unit components on the motherboard would begin to constrain the thickness. I can understand a reduction in X,Y plane - but am not too sure squeezing the processor unit to be even thinner will bring out without drastic changes to laptop thickness - without changes to other standard components on the motherboard.

Not a huge factor but certainly a factor. I think at this point reducing heat would be more relevant to the device's thickness, actually.
 
Well, with the Mac Mini starting at £499 and the iMac starting at £1,149, it would have to be a really really cheap entry level iMac. :eek:

Maybe they'll match the MBA and start the entry level iMac at £749. That would fill the gap. Apple are known for not being sentimental when killing off products that are not selling.
 
I wonder why none of the other manufacturers are coming up with an original idea that solves that problem just as well (or maybe there is something, I don't really know current laptops too well).

Microsoft has a magnetic connector for the Surface. I don't know if it is available on any laptops or not.
 
I wonder how late Skylake is now going to be.

I'm wondering about this aswell. Don't quite see why Intel would rush out Skylake with Broadwell just release. Even though Broadwell is just a tick I imagine they wanna cram some money out of it.
 
Okay, so...?

Who cares. All speculation.
Corporations know exactly how to get people to buy their ****.
 
VR-Zone claims to have information on the dates of various Broadwell processors.

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The ready to sell dates:

Broadwell-Y, 2C + GT2: Sep-Oct 2014,
Broadwell-U, 2C + GT2: Oct-Nov 2014,
Broadwell-U, 2C + GT3: Feb-Mar 2015 [likely chips for the MBA],
Broadwell-H, 4C + GT2, 2C + GT3e, 4C + GT3e: May-Jun 2015 [likely chips for the MBP].

Have fun waiting.

I wonder how late Skylake is now going to be.
VR-Zone also says,

(Google Translate) said:
According to Intel's plan to speculate on Broadwell, Skylake 2015 launch platform will follow a similar pattern.
 
VR-Zone claims to have information on the dates of various Broadwell processors.

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The ready to sell dates:

Broadwell-Y, 2C + GT2: Sep-Oct 2014,
Broadwell-U, 2C + GT2: Oct-Nov 2014,
Broadwell-U, 2C + GT3: Feb-Mar 2015 [likely chips for the MBA],
Broadwell-H, 4C + GT2, 2C + GT3e, 4C + GT3e: May-Jun 2015 [likely chips for the MBP].

Have fun waiting.

VR-Zone also says,
Huh, thanks for finding that before I did. My guess is that Broadwell-Y is out for Christmas. I really want to upgrade my 6.5 year old notebook and 4.5 year old desktop. I hate waiting even longer.
 
Huh, thanks for finding that before I did. My guess is that Broadwell-Y is out for Christmas. I really want to upgrade my 6.5 year old notebook and 4.5 year old desktop. I hate waiting even longer.
You're welcome but I found it from a post in a forum I lurk on. :p
 
Still that's not much time for companies like Apple to roll out new products, even if he promises that its not going to be the last second of the holiday.

Then they can migrate to AMD. Nobody at Intel has a gun held to Apple's head. Or are there forces of coercion than the obvious forms of physical violence?
 
Microsoft has a magnetic connector for the Surface. I don't know if it is available on any laptops or not.

I thought Apple had patented it. Seems like there are workarounds for the surface. Maybe other manufacturers should look into it too, since people find solutions like this "excellent".
 
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