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This is crazy awesome! I mean *INTEL* is basically confirming a tablet?!? I can't wait for this thing-I wasn't expecting it at all, really, and certainly not running an Intel processor-which may mean it can run just regular Mac software!

The PDA market's been pretty pathetic for years, and...I hope this thing can fill that gap! I hope it does PIM stuff well, and...actually it may be able to run just a plain vanilla version of Word...real Word and Excel!

And if I can use it as an eBook reader, that would be awesome...oh man, I can't wait for this thing!

EDIT: It could use Apple's already existing technology to mount an optical drive wirelessly (or though USB)...although it would be better still if it could play DVDs that way. Of course the lack of an optical drive is much less of a huge deal on a product like this!
 
Disappointment coming.

You are all setting yourselves up for a major disappointment. There is no Tablet.

- New 3G iPhone
- SDK
- New iPhone Partnership Announcements.
- Updates.

and that's all folks.
 
If we look at the original comments as quoted as hearsay, I'm not sure there's been enough analysis of what this rumor really means.

As Chef Medeski points out, there's really no reason to increase the size of the device just to increase the resolution of the screen. There are plenty of screens of higher resolution than the paltry 480x320 screen on the iPhone. So when this German dude says that the new Atom-based "iPhone" "needs" to be larger because of the "resolution" of the screen, that to me suggests that either the screen is at least 800x480 (at 4" to 4.5" diagonal) or even greater (1024x600 at 4.8" to 5.5" diagonal). These resolutions would be overkill on just a phone -- only a few Windows Mobile devices have a full VGA screen. However, 800x480 would be minimum for a MID, from the standpoint that the "standard" website is 800 pixels across. Increasing the resolution beyond this point is helpful for UMPCs but comes at a cost of readability/size and power consumption. So the only reason the proposed device "needs" to be bigger is because it is designed around a larger screen and/or a larger battery.

Furthermore, the Atom is not intended for phones or PDAs, but for MIDs and UMPCs. It has a broad range of speeds (I think 800MHz to 1.6GHz). While the power consumption is higher than the CPUs in cell phones/PDAs, it is much lower than any other mobile processor Intel has produced. The benefit to a company like Apple is that the Atom CPU will run the same code as any of their other CPUs. Since the iPhone runs a version of OSX, switching over to the Atom makes sense.

So the Atom is slightly physically larger, and it also draws more power, meaning you need a larger battery. This proposed device also has a larger or higher resolution screen, which also uses more power. At that point, you are looking at a larger device that is 3G enabled. But it's not a phone, in the sense that current iPhone owners are happy, but would be happier if the phone were just a little larger. This thing is a 3G enabled MID. It's not a UMPC. The whole distinction between MIDs and UMPCs doesn't apply anyway, since the iPhone is already running on OSX. But if you call it a UMPC, what you have is a small, low-powered, more expensive notebook, with at most a tiny keyboard if any at all. It sets up the expectation that it will run "the same" OS, but with a processor that will set you back about 5 years technologically.

If you take a look at the soon to be released (in Asia) Sharp Willcom D4, you'll see that any form factor is possible but limited by battery life and usability issues. The D4 is a UMPC/phone running Windows Vista on a 1.33GHz Atom CPU, 1GB RAM, and a 40GB HDD. It has a largish phone w/ flip out keyboard design with a 5" 1024x600 screen, and it claims a 4.5 to 5 hour battery life. It is 3G enabled, and apparently has special software to use the device as a phone from within Vista.

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=742

I would suggest that the limiting factor for size in these small devices is battery life. A MacBook has a 4h battery life, but for some reason, the smaller the device is, the longer we want the battery to last. Nobody thinks a 3G enabled MID that has 4h of battery life is particularly desirable, because we want it to last all day.

Further comments:
1. There's no way this is an e-book reader with an e-ink display. It might be something you can use as an e-book reader, but you don't need an Atom CPU to display text, and e-ink technology is still not ready for full adoption.
2. Text on a 5" 1024x600 screen would be ridiculously small. At a certain point, if you want a higher res display, you need to make it larger for usability purposes.
3. This German dude probably didn't really know what he was talking about.
4. It won't be "reasonably priced." It will be expensive.
5. I hope it's a tablet at least 8.9" diagonal with more than one button and one USB port.
6. If it's a MID, it won't also be a phone. I.e., You'll need both. (!)


The HTC Diamond has a ppi at about twice the iPhone, but a smaller screen. At 3.5" you could easily get that resolution with less ppi. Thats a touch device too unless multi-touch needs much smaller resolution (which it doesn't seem to have). So its certainly plausible that the iPhone could have a 720x480 with the same form factor. I imagine 1.5x each dimension would be a bit too big. But about 1.25x with a screen size of about 4 or 4.5" and a smaller border, would be pretty good size. It would look a bit large, but nothing too ridiculous and would greatly help looking at website and videos.

Hopefully they add a MicroSD or SD slot so we can easily upgrade 8 or 16GB up. :)

I wouldn't mind using it as a phone.



The HTC Diamond has over twice the ppi of the iPhone, so I'm sure it wouldn't need to be that big.
 
So you know where you are when you use Google Maps, or your GPS navigation software while on the road.

Remember, this new tablet is going to be the iPhone Pro with the professional features that business users have been craving for so long.

How do you know this will be the iphone pro targeting professionals? Unless you have insider sources i doubt you know anything at all.

I doubt it will be a phone also. SJ likes minimalist design and in order for it to be a phone it would look ridiciouls holding it to your ear because it will be substantially bigger then the current iphone. You might say that i will come with bluetooth head set. What if you forget your bluetooth headset or you loose it? what happens then? You might say that it will be incorporated into the tablet for storage similar to a stylus, but SJ said himself with the iphone that these things can get lost if you are not careful.

I dont see the tablet being positioned as an phone. I see it more as a device to complete the iphone, a device that can be used in your living room to browse the internet, to interact with the :apple:tv or to show a presentation to a client. A bridge between macbook air and the iphone. If a tablet is really a tablet the screen should be big enough (5x8 or other sizes) to display rich content.

By positioning the device as a tablet only, you will reach a bigger target audience. If its target as a phone also, it might not appeal to everyone.
 
You are all setting yourselves up for a major disappointment. There is no Tablet.

- New 3G iPhone
- SDK
- New iPhone Partnership Announcements.
- Updates.

and that's all folks.

Then where do all these rumors keep coming from? It's pretty clear even if they don't end up launching something they've at least had it in R&D. And I mean this is coming from INTEL for crying out loud! Can't get much of a better source than that!

I hope Apple doesn't get mad at them about this. Certainly isn't preventing me from buying any *APPLE* product knowing about this-though I'd sure think twice about buying anything semi-similar from another company until we know for sure Apple's not launching this.

I wonder what the price range is though? Hopefully it's <$800, although the thought occurred to me that this could be a crazy $1000-2000 type product like some Windows type devices are. Some of those are actually nifty...if they cost more like $500 instead of 2-4 times that.
 
yeah, yeah, yeah....I keep hearing this same old tired argument that tablets have no place in the world and it's just stupid. Smart phones had very little place in the world until Apple showed the world how to do it right with the iPhone.

Saying that tablets have no place in the world is about as stupid as Dvorak saying that the iPhone would be a dud or that IBM guy way back when saying there's probably only a need for about six computers in the world (or whatever version of that he said).

The PDA died because people got them in an excited rush to play media, perform organizer functions, and do computing work on a portable machine. Then iPods came along and played media better. Cell phones came along and did organizer functions as well or better. What's left? COMPUTING.

And computing -- real computing like writing, spreadsheet work, and database form entry, not just browsing Facebook -- simply sucks on a small screen, even an excellent small screen like the iPhone's. You just need more screen real estate.

Tablets haven't taken off yet because no one has done it right yet. Maybe Apple will.

In balancing performance versus size/weight versus cost, every tablet maker has been thus far been stupid and avoided the one winning combination: sacrifice performance for small size and weight and low cost. They all pack features in with a stick and drive the cost up to be more than a laptop or keep the cost down but make it bigger and heavier than a laptop -- dumb, dumb, dumb.

You don't need sizzling speed and terrabytes of storage for a successful tablet -- you need it small and light and cheap (relatively).








yeah...and geared toward the super-dooper-tech-geek. no ordianary consumer will want a tablet when they can get an iphone or MPA/MBP.

a tablet is one of those things that has no real place in the world. it serves no purpose other than to test new touch technology and maybe garnish some funds from the super geeks who want anything/everything new.
 
How to make a large screen small

The real issue becomes if the screen is tablet size how to make it smaller. The answer may be in this patent.

http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/03/18/patent-watch-apple-designing-clamshell-iphone/
 
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why don't they care about lost iPhone sales?



It must be because the new phone will cost MUCH more and the higher price will be offset by a big rebate from carriers. That's the way you convert low-revenue sales numbers into bigger numbers. Plus, now each sale to Nigerian and Russian pirates will increase revenue dramatically. New agreements probably cancel revenue sharing by carriers and instead stipulate "we'll let you carry our phone but only if you eat a $200 rebate sandwich."
 
yeah, yeah, yeah....I keep hearing this same old tired argument that tablets have no place in the world and it's just stupid. Smart phones had very little place in the world until Apple showed the world how to do it right with the iPhone.

So-called "smartphones" were getting more and more popular even before the iPhone, and still sell tons.

The PDA died because people got them in an excited rush to play media, perform organizer functions, and do computing work on a portable machine. Then iPods came along and played media better.

The PDA isn't dead, just the stand alone market is pretty anemic. I think it's partially because they can slap a phone radio in them and sell them for four times the price, and partially because a lot of people apparently don't grasp what they can do for them. I'm amazed at the people who are horribly unorganized (just like me) but still don't use them.

Cell phones came along and did organizer functions as well or better. What's left? COMPUTING.

I completely disagree. Aside from phones that are really PDAs, the typical cell phone makes a TERRIBLE organizer.
 
this is a bad idea and the only market that exist for a tablet is for HARDCORE fanboys, not 99% of the other population.

this will be a huge dud. the only purpose the tablet will serve is to TEST technology so they can use it in future MacBooks and iMacs.....nothing more, nothing less.

How can you be sure it will be a dud? Many people said that about the iPhone, and about the iPod Touch and so far, those two items are doing quite well. Personally, I would love something like this as long as I could connect a bluetooth keyboard to it to take notes in my classes. I have terrible back problems and can't carry a lot of weight. Not crazy about the MBA but the macbook weighs more than my 12 inch PB G4. I would have no problem with a smallish screen but bigger than the iPhone/iPod Touch with a BT keyboard connected. That would be perfect for me and many others.
 
How can you be sure it will be a dud? Many people said that about the iPhone, and about the iPod Touch and so far, those two items are doing quite well. Personally, I would love something like this as long as I could connect a bluetooth keyboard to it to take notes in my classes. I have terrible back problems and can't carry a lot of weight. Not crazy about the MBA but the macbook weighs more than my 12 inch PB G4. I would have no problem with a smallish screen but bigger than the iPhone/iPod Touch with a BT keyboard connected. That would be perfect for me and many others.

People said it about the iPod too I think, and that the market was already too saturated. Ya never know. Plus Apple has good marketing, and may have the right mix of good marketing, and a good price point, and a good product where other companies have failed at one (or all) of those aspects.
 
I would guess that a tablet is in R&D. My guess is that we won't see it as soon as everyone here is thinking. The Macbook Air would suffer from a tablet introduced so soon. Especially if the tablet was cheaper, lighter, smaller, and did all the same basic computer functions everyone is dying to have in this tablet. I also don't think the technology is far enough along...battery life would need to be longer.
 
I think we are after the same thing here that is more screen real estate. It is a very important feature to many of us. What I was trying to get at was just how useful would be a higher ppi?

Frankly I think at the current resolution you are really at the point of diminishing returns. That is an even hight ppi will not give you much in return for its complexity and demands. At least not relative to keeping the same ppi and going to a larger screen.

Don't get me wrong if Apple comes out with a device slightly larger than the current iPhone that can do HD, I'd go for it as video play back at full resolution is an item high on my demand list. It is just that being able to see the difference is important too.

Dave


Well I mean, I think we underestimate the difference. A small increase in the length or width turns into a rather large increase in area. From 3 to 3.5 is a 16.6% increase in length (its going from a 3.5" screen to about a 4-4.25"), but in terms of area, its an increase of 36%!!! Thats huge. And thats only a moderately larger screen. A 5" which would have the same ppi would be a MASSIVE INCREASE in screen size. I mean in terms of a little bit more screen space, going to 4 or 4.25" is already quite nice, 5" would make it an oversized PDA/hand-tablet. So I guess it depends who they are targetting. Personally I think a 4.25" screen is a more than welcome increase that would still keep the iPhone very pocketable. 5" would become more of a small book but still not bad. I guess we'll see.
 
If we look at the original comments as quoted as hearsay, I'm not sure there's been enough analysis of what this rumor really means.
So we will add even more?
As Chef Medeski points out, there's really no reason to increase the size of the device just to increase the resolution of the screen. There are plenty of screens of higher resolution than the paltry 480x320 screen on the iPhone.
I think you are missing a few important points here. It is not an issue of increasing screen resolution but size and keeping the same ppi. Further there is diminishing returns for going to a higher ppi with in the confines of the current screen size. A larger screen with more pixels does not increase resolution at all if the same ppi is kept.
So when this German dude says that the new Atom-based "iPhone" "needs" to be larger because of the "resolution" of the screen, that to me suggests that either the screen is at least 800x480 (at 4" to 4.5" diagonal) or even greater (1024x600 at 4.8" to 5.5" diagonal). These resolutions would be overkill on just a phone -- only a few Windows Mobile devices have a full VGA screen.
I think this is an indication that either the guy was mis quoted or this thread is based on simply bogus reporting, a guy in that sort of position should know the difference between resolution and the number of pixels a screen carries. A larger screen at the same resolution simply keeps the same ppi but offers up more pixels to the user.
However, 800x480 would be minimum for a MID, from the standpoint that the "standard" website is 800 pixels across. Increasing the resolution beyond this point is helpful for UMPCs but comes at a cost of readability/size and power consumption. So the only reason the proposed device "needs" to be bigger is because it is designed around a larger screen and/or a larger battery.
Most of the above is garbage. What is important is that there is a need for a larger screen to offer up to the user more information. That is why we want a larger iPhone, simply to have more screen real estate.
Furthermore, the Atom is not intended for phones or PDAs, but for MIDs and UMPCs. It has a broad range of speeds (I think 800MHz to 1.6GHz). While the power consumption is higher than the CPUs in cell phones/PDAs,
Obviously you are not in tune to Intels marketing nor how it intends to evolve the processor over time.
it is much lower than any other mobile processor Intel has produced. The benefit to a company like Apple is that the Atom CPU will run the same code as any of their other CPUs. Since the iPhone runs a version of OSX, switching over to the Atom makes sense.
With OS/X's UNIX underpinnings the processor isn't a big deal. The big advantage that ATOM offers u is not compatibility with other Intel processors but rather its 64 bit nature. Currently it is the only low power 64 bit offering in existence. Building a family of devices around ATOM means not having to deal with any sort of address space limitations for the foreseeable future.
So the Atom is slightly physically larger, and it also draws more power, meaning you need a larger battery. This proposed device also has a larger or higher resolution screen, which also uses more power. At that point, you are looking at a larger device that is 3G enabled. But it's not a phone, in the sense that current iPhone owners are happy, but would be happier if the phone were just a little larger.
I guess you will have to speak for your self. Many of us consider the iPhone to be to small. Not for a phone but as a smart phone / computing platform. Especially as a web enabled device. More so for business uses a web optimized iPhone would be ideal and the primary way to optimize for that is a larger screen. WE are not talking hugely larger either, less than an inch in width and length would make for a much more useful device.
This thing is a 3G enabled MID. It's not a UMPC. The whole distinction between MIDs and UMPCs doesn't apply anyway, since the iPhone is already running on OSX. But if you call it a UMPC, what you have is a small, low-powered, more expensive notebook, with at most a tiny keyboard if any at all. It sets up the expectation that it will run "the same" OS, but with a processor that will set you back about 5 years technologically.
Don't be daft it is either a larger iPhone or something of a newton bent. It has been plainly demonstrated that trying ot put PC apps and functionality into smaller and smaller portable devices doesn't really work well. I see zero chance of Apple trying to build a Mac into the for of an iiphone class of devices.
If you take a look at the soon to be released (in Asia) Sharp Willcom D4, you'll see that any form factor is possible but limited by battery life and usability issues. The D4 is a UMPC/phone running Windows Vista on a 1.33GHz Atom CPU, 1GB RAM, and a 40GB HDD. It has a largish phone w/ flip out keyboard design with a 5" 1024x600 screen, and it claims a 4.5 to 5 hour battery life. It is 3G enabled, and apparently has special software to use the device as a phone from within Vista.
Answer this question, who would be stupid enough to run Vista on such a platform? Apple has clearly demonstrated that desktop OS/'s have no place on hand held or mobile devices.
http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=742

I would suggest that the limiting factor for size in these small devices is battery life. A MacBook has a 4h battery life, but for some reason, the smaller the device is, the longer we want the battery to last. Nobody thinks a 3G enabled MID that has 4h of battery life is particularly desirable, because we want it to last all day.
Sure battery life is important I don't think anybody will discount that. The thing is with ATOM and an iPhone class device Apple has a lot of choices to deliver good battery life. First there is no reason for them to run ATOM at its fastest rates. Second the power usage numbers Intel has quoted are for the two chip set, Apple could go its own way for a supporting chip. Third higher integration else where means power saved for he CPU. A larger screen does afford more space for a larger battery and the payoff in battery size is more than what is lost to the larger screen. Finally with the right cell chip set the ATOM processor could be put to sleep for long periods of time.

It is not a given that ATOM is impossible in a larger iPhone. I see it as very possible and extremely likely.
Further comments:
1. There's no way this is an e-book reader with an e-ink display. It might be something you can use as an e-book reader, but you don't need an Atom CPU to display text, and e-ink technology is still not ready for full adoption.
This I would agree with as it makes no sense for Apple to produce a special purpose device when a full function device costs the same.
2. Text on a 5" 1024x600 screen would be ridiculously small. At a certain point, if you want a higher res display, you need to make it larger for usability purposes.
Agreed! The important thing in my mind is that Apple keeps the same ppi. This will dictate what size screens Apple can deliver but does not eliminate larger hand held devices.
3. This German dude probably didn't really know what he was talking about.
I think it is more a question of garbage reporting.
4. It won't be "reasonably priced." It will be expensive.
I don't know about that, It should come into the same price range as the current high end iPhone.
5. I hope it's a tablet at least 8.9" diagonal with more than one button and one USB port.
Now you are totally off the wall here. Such a table is not what most of us want or need. Apple may come out with a Tablet MAC some day but that is simply not what is being talked about in this thread - not even close. This thread is about people that need a larger iPhone or a Newton replacement.
6. If it's a MID, it won't also be a phone. I.e., You'll need both. (!)
I don't see such a platform as being practicle. Further you seem to mis the most important thing here and that is the need for on your person portability. Mids offer nothing over laptops in that regards, a larger iPhone could still fit into ones suit pocket or pants pocket yet offer up an incredible amount of utility.

Dave
 
Considering Steve KILLED this thing when got back in '97, most people wouldn't consider this at all. It might be similar in the way people use it, but it would never (EVER) be marketed as such.

Age has nothing to do with it, in my 42-yr old opinion.

Well here is an age 47 opinion. Steve took over Apple at a time when many thought it was a dead company. Like many a CEO put into that sort of situation he had to make very tough choice and Newton got zapped. What Steves personal opinion of the device is or was is unknown. Sure there were public comments made but one has to put them into the context of trying to save HIS company. I say HIS in capitals because in many ways I believe Steve always thought of Apple as his company.

So we can't say that it won't be marketed as such. What will likely happen though is that it will be marketed as another member of the iPod / iPhone family which it will be. They might name it Newton 2 or something similar simply to leverage on history, but from a marketing standpoint it will simply be another iPod / iPhone.

In any event all I really care about is that something comes out soon that is similar to what has been discussed for some time in the forums. That is simply a larger than current iPhone that is more advanced in capability.

Dave
 
Nothing. Hasn't this issue been completely beaten to death?!? They aquired PA SEMI for their technical expertise with embedded systems and NOT for their POWER chips.
The most recent indications are that PA Semi was acquired due to a chip set they where working on for Apple at the time they where acquired. Now what that chip set is has not been disclosed. It is completely possible that they had PA working on a highly integrated low power ARM chip.

For a smaller iPhone model, you can just shrink down the current form factor. It doesn't work --- the on-screen keyboard would be much to small to be able to use comfortably. Also, It wouldn't make any sense to remove the web browser for a smaller model. Internet access will be an intrinsic part of every phone in the future.
While I agree that shrinking the current iPhone would lead to usability issues, if any thing Apple needs a larger iPhone, that does not eliminate the possibility of Apple making a smaller easier to use cell phone. Further multi Touch does offer Apple a lot of alternatives for an even smaller screen some of which they have already patented. The potential if there for a more limited but smaller iphone device. Sure the web will suck there but that still is not a big draw for many.

But back to ARM and ATOM. It is interesting that Apple has yet to publicly say that they have intentions to use ATOM on the iPhone. ATOMS only current advantage is its 64 bit nature, which makes sense long term. ARM though can be very competitive in the short term, especially if PA Semi can com up with a highly integrated iPhone on a chip implementation. Apple could potentially drive the cost of an iPhone down to something like $75. That would be nice :)

Dave
 
You are all setting yourselves up for a major disappointment. There is no Tablet.

- New 3G iPhone
- SDK
- New iPhone Partnership Announcements.
- Updates.

and that's all folks.

Yea, I tend to agree with this. No tablet ... yet. Still, June 9th will be fun and the new iP will be a must buy for me.
 
ATOMS only current advantage is its 64 bit nature, which makes sense long term. ARM though can be very competitive in the short term, especially if PA Semi can com up with a highly integrated iPhone on a chip implementation. Apple could potentially drive the cost of an iPhone down to something like $75. That would be nice :)

Dave


OK this is the sort of comment BG would be proud of.
Why would you need more than 4GB of direct access memory. on a Phone or MID for that matter?
 
Now you are totally off the wall here. Such a table is not what most of us want or need. Apple may come out with a Tablet MAC some day but that is simply not what is being talked about in this thread - not even close. This thread is about people that need a larger iPhone or a Newton replacement.

I don't see such a platform as being practicle. Further you seem to mis the most important thing here and that is the need for on your person portability. Mids offer nothing over laptops in that regards, a larger iPhone could still fit into ones suit pocket or pants pocket yet offer up an incredible amount of utility.

Dave

Thanks for your reply. It was informative and interesting.

I do think that an updated Newton-like device would be considered a MID. These product names don't really make that much sense, admittedly. But I do think there is a rapidly growing market for a 3G enabled portable platform. Intel is pushing it, the hardware (for better or worse) is coming out, and the choice of OSs is pretty weak right now.

I would frame the likelihood of Apple's involvement in this way. Steve Jobs has repeatedly said things like, "Only a simpleton would want to look at video on a very small screen," and "No, no, we won't put out a phone, that's just stupid." (Not direct quotes.) Now, Apple is being pushed to release a 3G phone because of the international market, even though it will cut in to the battery life -- hence the 3G on-off switch. I can just imagine the guys at Apple thinking, "Well, it doesn't make sense from a design perspective, but that's what people want for some reason. But if people are really dead set on a 3G enabled portable device to surf the internet and download and upload content, we might as well make a proper one."

My comments about Vista and OSX had more to do with the unusual position Apple is in to jump into this market successfully and decisively. Not only do they have a relationship with Intel such that Apple would be first to know about and incorporate new Intel products, they have the mind-set and the demonstrated capacity to scale their OS to devices of different kinds, as well as to drive the development and distribution of software for a new platform. MS clearly cannot scale their OS and IMO is actually looking at a really big problem in their whole line of operating systems as a result. (I think running Vista on a tiny phone sized computer is ridiculous, by the way.) The success of the EEE PC, iPhone, and to a lesser extent the Nokia tablets indicate that most of the time people don't want, need, or want to need a full desktop environment, they just want portable functionality to access content, manage data and media files, and send content through the world wide web.

So I think the possibility of Apple re-introducing a Newton-like device with a cellular data connection (perhaps as an option) is high. If it did happen, it would reveal a lot about the relationship between Apple and Intel. The CPU in the MBA is an example of Apple getting first crack not at a new Intel product but at new technological advancements. From what I recall, the news that Intel had made a special processor for the MBA was pretty much a surprise to everyone -- i.e., they managed to keep that secret locked down. Intel would be thrilled if Apple picked up the Atom and had stated that the first Atom products would be released Q3 2008. Two Atom devices -- the Sharp Willcom D4 and Fujitsu U2010 -- have been just recently announced. They both run Vista, have GPS, wifi, and some cellular connection, and they both have keyboards. So we'll be able to see soon if Apple took a pass on the Atom, or if they took advantage of their relationship with Intel to make some kick ass new device.
 
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