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10 bucks says this can be foiled with a photograph of the user's face wrapped around someone else's head.
 
10 bucks says this can be foiled with a photograph of the user's face wrapped around someone else's head.

Android face unlock has an option for blinking. If you activated this, you would have to blink when asked for it to authorize you. I'm sure you can incorporate all sorts of "alive"ness test

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Like the touch iD failing to recognize finger prints you'll just have to manually enter your passcode

Well, face unlock also fails once a while, and you would need to enter the passcode also. I'm just arguing that at the very least, Touch ID will work in the dark.

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Reports of people able to bypass face recognition in Android by using a photograph that can be easily downloaded in a variety of ways.

That photograph won't be able to pass the blinking requirement of face unlock though.

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Remember how they were defeating face recognition security with a photo of the person being used to unlock their device? Has this been fixed?

Yes, via the blinking requirement
 
Will law enforcement have the right to make us unlock our phone by our face? The can force our finger. This is a step backwards in security because it doesn't require consent from the owner.
 
Um, yeah... I don't think so... It's a problem in search of a parking lot to skip it across.

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It doesn't have to be primarily visible spectrum light. The camera could flash you at the edge of the visible-UV or visible-IR range.

But wouldn't that make it rather pointless if certain makeup or other substances change the hue of the skin on those wavelengths?
 
Losing a ton of weight might even do it.

If you lost about 40 pounds in 10 minutes, sure. But for more normal weight loss, just retrain.

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Um, yeah... I don't think so... It's a problem in search of a parking lot to skip it across.

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But wouldn't that make it rather pointless if certain makeup or other substances change the hue of the skin on those wavelengths?

It's the shape of the face that's recognized, not the hue; hence the need for 3D. If make up were a problem, it would be even more of a problem with visible light, since make-up is specifically designed to change your coloring in visible light.

Unless you wear IR make-up; in which case, you are probably not getting optimal use out of it. :)
 
Done

Look, my phone has a fingerprint scanner that works nearly instantly and perfectly every single time. This password issue is done as far the Mac community is concerned. Apple can incorporate this into laptops/iMacs or connect my phone to my computer and do the password thing. If you can securely connect this to websites, that would be nice. But I can't see optical scan of my face being faster, as consistent or as secure as my fingerprint. And it has to beat all three of these in order to beat Apple's touchID technology.
 
If you are in an adversarial situation with someone with physical access to you and your devices, especially a government, biometric locks do not offer the protection of password.

Government can order you to interact with a biometric device to see if it unlocks for you. You're not volunteering anything but it's going to unlock because your body is the key.

However, revealing a password is granting access to the contents of your mind, and is testimony that you controlled the data. Where your right to not incriminate yourself is respected, the contents of your mind are inaccessible.
 
great now hollywood needs to rewrite scenes where the guy cuts out someones eye ball and puts it in their pocket to an entire head :rolleyes:
 
Look, my phone has a fingerprint scanner that works nearly instantly and perfectly every single time. This password issue is done as far the Mac community is concerned. Apple can incorporate this into laptops/iMacs or connect my phone to my computer and do the password thing. If you can securely connect this to websites, that would be nice. But I can't see optical scan of my face being faster, as consistent or as secure as my fingerprint. And it has to beat all three of these in order to beat Apple's touchID technology.

No solution is ever "done", especially when TouchID introduces an inherent disadvantage in reducing bezels of mobile devices. Compare some android devices that has same 4.7" screen yet has thinner bezel. (Yes. Thinner the bezel the better.) Perhaps some uber cool future technology can make fingerprint scanning possible anywhere on screen itself. But until then, fingerprint is not without a flaw. Facial recognition isn't going to be perfect for all devices nor all situations. But that doesn't meant that there isn't any use for (and need to improve) it.
 
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I am surprised that no one has brought up this fact...

There are some saying that "it may be too dark" for facial recognition or that "you can't do it discreetly." We have to remember that it won't be "one or the other." Just like if Touch ID fails, you can enter your password. Likewise, you could theoretically have three options of authentication instead of two. If too dark to recognize your face, it will ask you to use Touch ID. If Touch ID doesn't work (or you restarted your phone), it will ask for the password.

I am sure Apple would think of all this before deciding to implement it...trust me.
 
So when the Supreme Court decides that a phone that can be unlocked by a face must be unlocked for police search, what will you do? For fingerprint at least there is the potential of a “middle finger” option to permanently lock/erase the device to prevent unlawful seizure.

Stick your tongue out.
 
Like the touch iD failing to recognize finger prints you'll just have to manually enter your passcode

iPhone 6 user here and TouchID has never failed on me. I use it on a daily basis. It's fast and convenient. The only time it doesn't "work" is of course when you power up your phone. It needs you to enter your password first (there's even a message on the passcode screen referring to this matter), from then on it's golden. It's the same thing with the App store. TouchID works after you've initially typed in your passcode.
 
iPhone 6 user here and TouchID has never failed on me. I use it on a daily basis. It's fast and convenient. The only time it doesn't "work" is of course when you power up your phone. It needs you to enter your password first (there's even a message on the passcode screen referring to this matter), from then on it's golden. It's the same thing with the App store. TouchID works after you've initially typed in your passcode.

I need to get my iPhone 6 plus replaced
 
Not so sure ....

We're already seeing some of the potential downsides of biometric passwords with such things as the Virginia court ruling that a search warrant isn't needed for police to search the contents of your iPhone, as long as the only thing securing it is the Touch ID fingerprint.

When "you are the password", it amounts to walking around in public with your password on display. Facial recognition? Anyone can take a photo of your face and trick a system by holding it up to the camera. You leave behind fingerprints all day long as you handle objects, and those can be lifted with a piece of scotch tape and transferred to a form that lets someone bypass a touch verification system.

Arguably a retinal scan would be harder to defeat... but even so? It would seem that eye doctors and opticians would suddenly have pretty easy ability to copy your "password" and either misuse it or sell it to others who would.

As inconvenient as today's passwords are ... they do at least have value in the fact they can be stored in your brain, where nobody has access to them unless you opt to divulge them yourself.

Personally, I think the password concept needs to go away ... but most likely replaced with some kind of smart card/key system. You could incorporate biometrics as kind of a "2 factor" security that ran alongside it? (It needs the proper secure card inserted AND a fingerprint or retinal scan match.) But biometrics alone don't solve all of the security problems.


20 years from now, we'll be watching old TV shows and movies where people refer to 'passwords' and we'll laugh how old it is.

A password is simply a way to trust that someone is who they say they are. But fingerprints, facial recognition, retina scans, etc. are all what SHOULD be happening, not a password. Technology is finally catching up.
 
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