Intel hd 4000 vs nvidia 320m?

[pragmatous]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-5.html

Tomshardware is reliable.

Which is better?

 

[leenak]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-5.html

Tomshardware is reliable.

Except Tom doesn't compare it against the 320m unless I'm missing something.

 

[Mr MM]

That's irrelevant, I was only showing that there's a large difference between benchmarks for the same GPU.

Also, it's well know that Vantage does not work well on older GPUs, regardless of their power, so it's still not an accurate comparison.

no its not irrelevant, as I have said, you have to pay attention to what cpu you are using, the difference between a run of whatever benchies you want with a ulv HD 4000 and a 3820qm HD 4000 is going to be profound.

and use proper benchies. The 320m was launched in 2010, vantage was launched in 2008.

and there is something clearly wrong with the x230 performance, its got a SV cpu. If you pay attention to the things you commented you could clearly see that the performance of 2 ulv cpus is better. There is clearly something not right.

For one the clocks of the HD 4000 in the x230 are 1200mhz and the ones in the ulvs are below 1150mz

 

[mikeo007]

no its not irrelevant, as I have said, you have to pay attention to what cpu you are using, the difference between a run of whatever benchies you want with a ulv HD 4000 and a 3820qm HD 4000 is going to be profound.

and use proper benchies. The 320m was launched in 2010, vantage was launched in 2008.

and there is something clearly wrong with the x230 performance, its got a SV cpu. If you pay attention to the things you commented you could clearly see that the performance of 2 ulv cpus is better. There is clearly something not right.

For one the clocks of the HD 4000 in the x230 are 1200mhz and the ones in the ulvs are below 1150mz

I wasn't referring to what you said about clockspeeds, I was talking about you saying 3dmark06 was not the proper benchmark to look at.
It's the most widely used benchmark in the industry for a reason, because it's the most compatible.

Vantage for example tests specific DirectX functions that the 320m supports very poorly. Other games often force newer GPUs like the HD4000 to use advanced feature sets, making their performance noticeably lower than it should be compared to older GPUs.

 

[Mr MM]

I wasn't referring to what you said about clockspeeds, I was talking about you saying 3dmark06 was not the proper benchmark to look at.
It's the most widely used benchmark in the industry for a reason, because it's the most compatible.

Vantage for example tests specific DirectX functions that the 320m supports very poorly. Other games often force newer GPUs like the HD4000 to use advanced feature sets, making their performance noticeably lower than it should be compared to older GPUs.

no the 3dmark06 aint used more because its better, more comprehensive benchie. Its used more because there are people that still believe its relevant, which isnt.

and currently its more cpu bound than anything. Its a meaningless tool for the current gpus, and given that vantage is indeed OLDER than the gpu in question its a much more interesting tool to use. And for one its still relevant.

 

[pragmatous]

Well it's to show the HD4000 speeds. I couldn't find a benchmark for the 320m. If you do you can compare the same benchmarks. It'll give you an idea anyway.

Except Tom doesn't compare it against the 320m unless I'm missing something.

 

[mabaker]

One huge advantage that the 320 still has over the 4000 and 3000 is that it supports CUDA and OpenCL natively without emulation.

Final Cut Pro X greatly uses the power to enhance the rendering speed on the 320.

 

[dba415]

In my experience, Intel sucks at graphics. I'd take nvidia every time. Not sure about 320m compared to 4000, but I would not be surprised if they were equal right now simply because Intel sucks at integrated graphics.

 

[cmChimera]

You mean to tell me that the integrated graphics on the Retina MBP I ordered beat the dedicated graphics of my mid-2010 MBP? If so, this is outstanding.

 

[Ifti]

On the same topic, if I use my system for basic iMovie/Final Cut, will I see an improvement with the HD4000, or does it not matter for these apps??

I do not game at all, but just looking to upgrade from the 2.66C2D I have to a 2.9 i7.......

 

[leman]

On the same topic, if I use my system for basic iMovie/Final Cut, will I see an improvement with the HD4000, or does it not matter for these apps??

You will see a massive improvement, but not because of the GPU The CPU is simply much faster.

 

[Ifti]

You will see a massive improvement, but not because of the GPU The CPU is simply much faster.

Excellent - I dont game on my MBP so not too bothered about GPU performance, as long as it doesnt hinder my editing etc!

 

[l008com]

This thread isn't too old so I'm going to revive it. I had a 2010 macbook pro with 320m. I recently upgraded to a 2012 macbook pro (both 13") with the intel HD 4000, and I also put a 500mb/sec SSD in the new machine. It's running on 4 virtual cores as opposed to 2 on the 2010. Overall, the new Mac is much much faster, probably mostly due to the SSD. If I did some raw computing tests like Handbrake ripping, I'm sure it would score much better on that too.

BUT both machines have/had Windows 7 installed, with Grand Theft Auto VC & SA installed. And the Intel 4000 graphics are TERRIBLE. The framerates are garbage. I was expecting I'd be able to max out graphic settings over what I was using on the 320m. You know, since apple said the 3000 was on par with the 320m, and that the 4000 was 40% faster. I've actually had to turn down the settings on the 4000 just to make the game playable. And even then, it's much more blocky and jerky. It's terrible. The intel 4000 seems more on par with the nVidia 9400m than anything else. On both machines, I installed the bootcamp drivers, and then the most up to date GPU specific drivers available. I'm very disappointed with the downgrade in graphics abilities. Even after all these years, I still love me some classic GTA.

 

[ScholarsInk]

The Intel chips have fared well in CPU-bound benchmarks but like the post before shows, there's certainly a real-life performance loss. I remember the HD 3000 gaming benchmarks and seeing that there were games it couldn't even launch that I was able to play with my C2D/9400m 2009 model. I remember some posters last year explained what in technical terms Intel is lacking but I can't recall where.

 

[L41N]

i usually do an OC to my 320m(450 to 630 core clock/950 to 1400 shader clock)when i am going to play my games under win bootcamp. this way,can it be better than hd4000?

according to this website

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-320M.28701.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html

comparing the average fps between the games that they have in common and looking also at the fps they have on low, mid and high settings. (comparinf them by the color.)the 320m still wins even without OCing, most of the times.

 

[AlexMaximus]

Experience on the Nvidia 330M

My MBP 2010 is doing its 4th year now. It received a larger SSD last year, the 1TB 840 Evo. It is still one great machine, and I am sure it will be for 4 more years. My experience on the Nvidia 330M is actually really a very good one.
Since the separat downloadable Nvidia Cuda driver is installed, the GPU even feels a small notch faster then before. Many games are still fine to play with at least medium settings. A couple weeks I was very surprised when I bought Metro Last Light on Steam for Mac. The Nvidia 330M handled the game very well with an additional laptop cooling stand. Not bad for a 4 year old machine.
I am sure the HD4000 is a good internal integrated GPU, but- integrated.

Remember, the guys that spent much more $$$ on their machines to get the dedicated gpu did that for a reason. I am not surprised that those cards are on paar at best. However I look forward to the new Iris Pro 5200. I am sure this will be the day, the integrated tech will smoke my 330M with ease. It took them 4,5 years though....

 

[Wuiffi]

The Nvidia 330M handled the game very well with an additional laptop cooling stand. Not bad for a 4 year old machine.
I am sure the HD4000 is a good internal integrated GPU

thread is about the 320M not 330M. big difference there

edit: btw my girlfriends 2013 MBP with Iris pro runs cicles around my 330M