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Intel iBook at MWSF (January) 2006?
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sounds good.
what i really want to see is the comparison of the new looks for the intel iBook and intel Powerbook.
that's my number one reason to i buy apple..cause it looks so damn good.
what i really want to see is the comparison of the new looks for the intel iBook and intel Powerbook.
that's my number one reason to i buy apple..cause it looks so damn good.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
macrumors12345 said:
Yah because prereleased OS's loaded on hardware they weren't designed for are the ultimate in benchmark accuracy. 🙄
Guess what? I can say with a certain air of certainty that the first X86 PowerBooks are going to be dual cores. Now think about that. The tests they ran were single cores. Do you think Apple would be stupid enough not to take adv of an extran CPU core to dedicate to Rosetta? Now to a certain extent you are right. Anything that is computationally a heavy hitter is going to pank Rosetta but I think you and everyone else needs to stop throwing figures around. Because right now they are all BS. Even the ones on the development boxes. Everything changes in 2006. Do not trust numbers being throw around right now.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
iEric said:
Then buy a dead POwerBook off of e-bay why don't ya. It will save you thousands. 🙄 Sorry but I still can't believe people buy computers based on their look. Its so...childish.....for lack of a better word.
Don't get me wrong I don't want some uggo POC system but putting looks as the #1 priority seems wrong.
golfstud
macrumors member
MWSF is consumer show
I think the powerbook track is off. I think MAC MINI's get updated, either INTEL or PPC...Front Row on the Mini is the next thing for all those HD TVs being bought over the holidays and Super Bowl time. I can see a SUPER MINI with the new remote and wireless keyboard included...with componant out or even HDMI(althought a DVI is fine just get a cable converter)
ILIFE 06 with something cool we haven't thought of...with FrontRow and PhotoBooth for everyone else.
The one more thing...now that has got me...Intel Ibooks maybe?
I will tell you this..if the Intel thing happens in Jan..then it will have to hit the pro lines before the end of the year...and I dont' see that happening.
The last 2 years Apple has fallen into a fairly predictable pattern...Consumer Software and new hardware at MWSF, Springtime Special Update of ITUNES/IPOD, Pro Video Update at NAB, Pro CPUs at Developers Conferance or just after. Ibook and Emac(Mini) updates late summer before school. Imac-Ipod/Itunes again in Fall.
Having said this the POWERBOOKS need to get better sooner than later. OH, I'm getting a copy of APERTURE soon, I wonder if this is coded for PPC and INTEL..someone should snoop in on the code and see...if it is UNIVERSAL that would lend a hint.
Hmmmm..I'm glad I got my ticket to the keynote...should be fun. I just hope TIME Magazine doesn't spoil the suprise..I really hate that.
I think the powerbook track is off. I think MAC MINI's get updated, either INTEL or PPC...Front Row on the Mini is the next thing for all those HD TVs being bought over the holidays and Super Bowl time. I can see a SUPER MINI with the new remote and wireless keyboard included...with componant out or even HDMI(althought a DVI is fine just get a cable converter)
ILIFE 06 with something cool we haven't thought of...with FrontRow and PhotoBooth for everyone else.
The one more thing...now that has got me...Intel Ibooks maybe?
I will tell you this..if the Intel thing happens in Jan..then it will have to hit the pro lines before the end of the year...and I dont' see that happening.
The last 2 years Apple has fallen into a fairly predictable pattern...Consumer Software and new hardware at MWSF, Springtime Special Update of ITUNES/IPOD, Pro Video Update at NAB, Pro CPUs at Developers Conferance or just after. Ibook and Emac(Mini) updates late summer before school. Imac-Ipod/Itunes again in Fall.
Having said this the POWERBOOKS need to get better sooner than later. OH, I'm getting a copy of APERTURE soon, I wonder if this is coded for PPC and INTEL..someone should snoop in on the code and see...if it is UNIVERSAL that would lend a hint.
Hmmmm..I'm glad I got my ticket to the keynote...should be fun. I just hope TIME Magazine doesn't spoil the suprise..I really hate that.
poundsmack
macrumors 6502
the question is will it be the yohan chips or the current pentium M's? or mabey something completly different.....like an Itanium iBook, i squared 😀 🙄
It depends on Intel
If ZDNet's latest article is anything to go back (the hacked OS X on a Pentium feature), the OS is ready, the only real issue is going to be the lack of Altivec in Rosetta, and Intel seems to be roaring ahead of schedule on transitioning to 65 nanometer chip fab. Yonah, on the Napa motherboard, will be launched in standard performance single core and high performance dual core in early January -- only the ultra low voltage version (presumably for subnotebooks) will have to wait.
Under the circumstances, why would Apple wait? Time to move all the mobile lines to Intel, and by proxy that also includes the Mac Mini. A subnotebook, the only thing held up on Yonah, is the only thing Apple currently lacks in their lineup anyway. Dual core Powerbooks (which will have just enough oomph to deal with the lack of Altivec in Rosetta for PPC-compiled Adobe stuff without a major slowdown, but will make the iApps, Office, and non-Altivec programs like Stata and SPSS all do well), maybe even a dual core mini, and single-core iBooks. The more progressive developers like Stata will have optimizations out very quickly. The presence of a dual-precision SIMD on Yonah is further reason to move quickly; within months, graphics and even more notably statistical apps (which can't use single-precision Altivec) will get a huge new lease on life.
G5 is a different story. No immediate rush there, but I'll bet the iMac goes over by fall.
I say Apple is ready on software just on the basis of ZDNet's slightly ethically-challenged but interesting story about running hacked OS X on a Pentium and finding it as fast if not faster in the OS, while, given the iTunes test, still having obvious trouble in Altivec. But on a dual-core, no one should notice too much.
If ZDNet's latest article is anything to go back (the hacked OS X on a Pentium feature), the OS is ready, the only real issue is going to be the lack of Altivec in Rosetta, and Intel seems to be roaring ahead of schedule on transitioning to 65 nanometer chip fab. Yonah, on the Napa motherboard, will be launched in standard performance single core and high performance dual core in early January -- only the ultra low voltage version (presumably for subnotebooks) will have to wait.
Under the circumstances, why would Apple wait? Time to move all the mobile lines to Intel, and by proxy that also includes the Mac Mini. A subnotebook, the only thing held up on Yonah, is the only thing Apple currently lacks in their lineup anyway. Dual core Powerbooks (which will have just enough oomph to deal with the lack of Altivec in Rosetta for PPC-compiled Adobe stuff without a major slowdown, but will make the iApps, Office, and non-Altivec programs like Stata and SPSS all do well), maybe even a dual core mini, and single-core iBooks. The more progressive developers like Stata will have optimizations out very quickly. The presence of a dual-precision SIMD on Yonah is further reason to move quickly; within months, graphics and even more notably statistical apps (which can't use single-precision Altivec) will get a huge new lease on life.
G5 is a different story. No immediate rush there, but I'll bet the iMac goes over by fall.
I say Apple is ready on software just on the basis of ZDNet's slightly ethically-challenged but interesting story about running hacked OS X on a Pentium and finding it as fast if not faster in the OS, while, given the iTunes test, still having obvious trouble in Altivec. But on a dual-core, no one should notice too much.
SiliconAddict said:
Yes, numbers are subject to revision. However, if one insists upon drawing *any* conclusions at all (which is pretty much everyone on this board), the 70% performance hit for encoding is at least based on real data. The 30% figure is just being pulled out of thin air, based on something Jobs mentioned in passing in a keynote.
Guess what, Jobs has also told you that PowerPC is up to twice as fast as Intel. So if we are going to just base our suppositions on stuff Jobs has said in keynotes, then the Intel chips will be 50% slower than PPC and take another 30% performance hit for Rosetta, and overall they will run PPC apps at only 35% of native PowerPC speed. Man, you better stay away from those Intel iBooks...they're going to be real dogs.
dblissmn said:
Uh, we have *no* indication that Stata will run well under Rosetta. To the contrary, many have been saying that floating point intensive apps (e.g., Stata) could get as much as a 80-90% performance hit from being emulated!
I definitely will not buy any x86 iBook before benchmarking Stata on x86 hardware in the Apple Store. If it runs at anything less than 50% of the speed of a 1.3 Ghz G4, I will not be buying until Stata releases a Universal binary (no matter how fast it runs all those other Universal binaries).
Hmmm...do you actually use Stata? Stata devs still haven't made any optimizations for the G5, and that's been out for 2.5 years now. (Heck, as far as I know they haven't made any optimizations for the P4, and that's been out for 5 years.)
Stata is currently developed in CodeWarrior. They will have to port it over to XCode before they can compile a Universal binary. That is not a trivial amount of work. I will be shocked if a Stata Universal binary is released in January. It will come, but it will take a while.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
links?
Do you have any links to news about it being dropped?
Funny, for being "discontinued" they're still promoting it... http://www.intel.com/products/processor/celeron_m/index.htmgenerik said:
Do you have any links to news about it being dropped?
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Yonah is not yet available, and the single core is on the roadmap for after the dual-core.generik said:
Apple telling developers to code for Dothan, so Yonah PBs and Dothan IBs is possible soon.
gkarris
macrumors G3
Actually...
Actually, I believe that this rumor is wrong. In January, we will finally see the G5 Powerbooks...
The new 3.0 GHz G5 Powerbook, only 6" thin and a light 10 lbs...
Which reality are we in???
(thought no mac forum is complete without the proverbial mention of the upcoming G5 PowerBook...)
Actually, I believe that this rumor is wrong. In January, we will finally see the G5 Powerbooks...
The new 3.0 GHz G5 Powerbook, only 6" thin and a light 10 lbs...
Which reality are we in???
(thought no mac forum is complete without the proverbial mention of the upcoming G5 PowerBook...)
MacCoaster said:
Also if I remember correctly Steve Jobs said that Mac OS X has always run on X86 since it was first created. It was designed to run on both architectures. It isn't surprising as it is POSIX compliant...
BRLawyer said:
Yep.... I'm still undecided on the whole Intel thing - I'm a fan of PPC technology....... Bummer it's potential seems stunted in the portable space... I would've loved to see a dual core G4 with a faster bus..
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
First of all, being "POSIX compliant" is orthogonal to being multi-platform - there's just no connection between an implementation being portable and the APIs/UI being POSIX certified.i_am_a_cow said:
Windows runs (or has) on many more architectures than OSX (including both x86 and PPC, as well as ARM, Alpha, MIPS...) - but any POSIX compliance in Windows is open to interpretation.
Second, OSX is not POSIX compliant. "Okay about your OSX worship, look, it claims to be UNIX, but it is not POSIX compliant. " and http://get.posixcertified.ieee.org/cert_prodlist.tpl?CALLER=index.tpl
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SummerBreeze said:
Problem is, it´ll feature a Dothan. Prolly@1.7 and 2.0 ghz.
With it´s 30% slimmer design and 13" wide it should be attempting for most students and non-pro consumers.
January will most likely also give us a pb sporting the 7448. Not much of a speedbump I´m guessing. But the larger cache will give it a 25% speed increase. PowerBooks will NOT have iSight, I guarantuee you! 🙂
SiliconAddict said:
Well I am excited about whatever intel 'books come out. Based on all the "illegal" reviews Apple is very on track and overall performance is good. Wh knows how many revisions these reviews are behind (we all know apple software engineers are on speed) the Production version should be more than ready for primetime upon release.
Exactly. Unless Intel has moved up its plans for the single core Yonah, it is going to trail the dual core version. An Intel-based iBook, if one is to be released in Jan/Feb, will most likely use Dothan (existing 2nd-generation Pentium-M) with a 533MHz FSB.AidenShaw said:
BRLawyer said:
No, only Mac users complain about graphics chips in Mac laptops 🙂
BRLawyer said:
A lot of PC laptops have integrated graphics, a lot of them don't. But in a lot of cases they don't need anything better either, as the operating system (be it Windows or Linux) doesn't use 3D for anything. The most important reason to have a good graphics chip on a PC laptop is to play games.
What does suck about integrated graphics is that they use part of the system memory, but what's 32MB out of 512MB anyway.
Note: I do prefer a good graphics chip ... that's why I chose a laptop with a Radeon 9700 😀
cyclotron451
macrumors regular
dead post! until I learn a bit of layout skills...
but I think the intelliBook will likely rollout with the "Dohan" Pentium M (735) 1.7GHz FSB 400MHz fitting the performance and $999 price points. The Yonahs are a bit too power/dollar hungry initially.
but I think the intelliBook will likely rollout with the "Dohan" Pentium M (735) 1.7GHz FSB 400MHz fitting the performance and $999 price points. The Yonahs are a bit too power/dollar hungry initially.