Intel iBook at MWSF (January) 2006?

[NickFalk]

I personally abhor people who buy “stuff” because its trendy. More then anything it seems a bit shallow to me. *shrugs* That’s just how I see it. Nothing arrogant about it.

Well I certainly don't believe you don't care about asthetics at all. If you do you're probably the only person who does. What about the colour of that coach? Is bright green and purple flowers OK as long as it is "comfy" enough?

Bang & Olufsen would probably be out of business decades ago if it was just price/sound-quality people were looking for. We're not necessarily talking about "trendy" stuff, just that a lot of us actually like to buy things that look neat. As I said, I personally don't use this as a guideline when buying computers, if I did I probably would have a G4 Cube as my main computer.

 

[jayscheuerle]

space is very cold 🙂

Kimo

Days and nights on the Moon are 14 times as long as those on the Earth. Together with the lack of atmosphere, this means the surface experiences a huge range of temperatures, from a minimum of -170°C to a maximum of +130°C.

 

[NickFalk]

Days and nights on the Moon are 14 times as long as those on the Earth. Together with the lack of atmosphere, this means the surface experiences a huge range of temperatures, from a minimum of -170°C to a maximum of +130°C.

A-ha! I knew it it! No let's see what you cheese-followers come up with! 😉

 

[bbyrdhouse]

So does the bible (Isaiah 11:12, other places)

Wrong! The Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat but to the contrare it teaches that the Earth is round.

C'mon, science is always playing "catch up" to God.

 

[thias]

Bring on the Intels - I know a few people who will switch as soon as the intels arrive.

That would be me. 🙂

A lot of people will find almost all existing hardware good "enough" and then they might be willing to buy based on looks just as likely as any other "quality". I mean, it's not like everyone buys the car that gives best performance for the money is it?

I'm currently a PC user, hoping to go Intel Mac sometime soon. My current laptop is a DELL and it's heavy like a stone, XP freezes nicely, etc. Design - of the OS and the computer - is exactly why I want to switch to Mac. Anything would get the job done more or less, somehow a Mac just feels better...

 

[jayscheuerle]

Wrong! The Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat but to the contrare it teaches that the Earth is round.

C'mon, science is always playing "catch up" to God.

Don't you mean:

C'mon, science is always playing "catch up" to God. 😉

 

[NickFalk]

Wrong! The Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat but to the contrare it teaches that the Earth is round.

But what if it's flat and round? 😕

 

[oober_freak]

I totally agree with you - iBook will have Celeron M CPUs no doubt about this - still way better than any G4. Pentium M for Powerbooks.

Everytime I have purchased a G4 based Apple product I kinda feel I've been ripped off. The G4 is a slow CPU by today's standards.

Bring on the Intels - I know a few people who will switch as soon as the intels arrive.

Ahem... well I have an old Celeron M 1.4 ghz powered laptop at home.. I can assure you it is crap with a big C. The battery life is so bad that it doesn't last even 2 hours... play NFS UG2 on it.. and make it one hour.

No way do I see Apple settling for 1.5 hrs battery life for an ibook!

Get over it.. a G4 isn't that bad as it is made to be. Intel processors are not some god-sent ones. They do have their set of problems.

I would say a G4 compares to Pentium M at the same clock speeds...

So as of today, a g4 1.67 would be more comparable to a Pentium M 1.73. That is why Apple had a problem here.. the Pentium M chips reached 2.26ghz and g4 stayed at 1.67 at the same price range...

Let me assure you, i've spent more time with PCs than Macs.. but "quality" time only with macs 😛

 

[efoto]

I don't think so. You buy a couch it should be comfortable. You buy a TV it should do what you want out of it. Now if you buy a piece of art. . .it should look pleasing. There isn't anything arrogant here. It’s the difference between wanting a tool to do something and wanting a status symbol. I personally abhor people who buy “stuff” because its trendy. More then anything it seems a bit shallow to me. *shrugs* That’s just how I see it. Nothing arrogant about it.

I agree with this defense. While I may not abhor those who purchase for trend use, I do think it is a bit sad. I purchased an iPod because I thought it was the best mp3 player to market at the time for the features I was looking for....same thing for my PowerBook, best laptop to market for the features I wanted (size, style, runtime, ease of use).

I have a friend who just purchased a 15" PB for the sole reason that it is the 'cool' computer to have. That to me is sad, especially since he doesn't even want to learn the OS or appreciate the benefits of a Mac, he just wants email/internet/etc and he got a decked out PB just because. Sad doesn't even fully fit, it's more of a frustration for me.

What does any of this have to do with an Intel iBook? 😕

 

[Chundles]

I don't think it would be to far fetched to think that Apple could also begin selling Apps including Pro Apps that have both PPC bibaries and X86 binaries on the cd. They have after all, known internally of the switch to Intel alot longer than the public.
I think that we could all be surprised and see some of Apple's apps mirgate quickly or even already done. Now, apps from other vendors perhaps it will take a while longer such as Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.. but maybe this is why Apple was prepared and released Aperture. I know that they said it's not supposed to compete with Photoshop, but all they would have to do is add layer capability and maybe a "light" version and whala.

I just don't think that there is going to be a major hold up on the app side of the switch.

my $.02 worth.

Um, that's exactly what they're doing. They have already done it with most of their apps, it's just going to take some time to get all the 3rd parties on board.

The problem is for professionals who need more power and native apps NOW, not in a few months.

 

[efoto]

Unfortunately, the screen res and battery life are probably the only reasons I'd ever want to update my iBook...

I agree. My PB is performing adequately right now, and I can't imagine spending money to 'upgrade' it simply for a faster FSB. Increased battery life (from proc. factors), more RAM (faster doesn't matter as much to me as more), etc would be reasons for me to switch. I'd also go over sooner than later if HD screens started to pop their heads up 🙂

 

[NickFalk]

What does any of this have to do with an Intel iBook? 😕

...or cheese?

 

[cwoloszynski]

Cart before the horse?

I have seen lots of folks say that various Apps from various vendors are not ported to x86 already. How do you know that?

If I was Adobe, I am not going to release the app until I get the first new production machine to test it on. I quite likely have my apps ported right now, but would not announce that until the x86 box is in my hands to verify it works as expected.

I also suspect that perhaps Apple is having the big developers hold off their announcement to make a HUGE splash when the announce the first Intel machines. This way, they can announce the apps are ready just when the machine is ready.

Don't think that Adobe and company are not busily working to get their code ported. I port code everyday between different processor architectures, and your success can be very high, if you don't have some endian issues or special instruction set features and the OS has the same features. Since Mac OS will have the same features, the only issues are endian-ness and the ALTIVEC code. But that is easily tackled and can be tuned with point releases.

 

[cwoloszynski]

iBook and PB in January?

-- EDIT -- Too quick on the keyboard --

 

[efoto]

I don't think it would be to far fetched to think that Apple could also begin selling Apps including Pro Apps that have both PPC bibaries and X86 binaries on the cd. They have after all, known internally of the switch to Intel alot longer than the public.
I think that we could all be surprised and see some of Apple's apps mirgate quickly or even already done. Now, apps from other vendors perhaps it will take a while longer such as Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.. but maybe this is why Apple was prepared and released Aperture. I know that they said it's not supposed to compete with Photoshop, but all they would have to do is add layer capability and maybe a "light" version and whala.

I would venture a guess that large players/partners, like Adobe, were probably given a heads-up on the switch well before we the user heard about it. Apple isn't dumb, they don't make decisions on a whim, and they don't want to burn bridges with major companies on a 'silly' switch. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple offered assistance directly to companies like Adobe in helping them get moved over to x86 OS X compatibility. They certainly aren't going to, rather didn't, leave Adobe in the dark on this switch until we heard about it, that isn't how business is done.

Are the delays on the release of Aperture due to the fact that they want to release a PPC version and an x86 version at the same time? Or are there other published 'issues' delaying the product's release?

 

[cwoloszynski]

iBook and PB in January?

Apple has, in the past, announced one machine and pre-announced another. Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that they might do this for the laptops? Announce the iBook and also pre-announce the PB so everyone will know what is coming? It will kill the sales of the PB for some time, but the iBook will do that just as well.

That way, everyone can get revved up to buy some new laptops.

Steve will spin this as 'we are making the best new PB we can, but it will take us an extra few months and it will STILL be before our previously announced JUNE timeline.

 

[efoto]

Apple has, in the past, announced one machine and pre-announced another. Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that they might do this for the laptops? Announce the iBook and also pre-announce the PB so everyone will know what is coming? It will kill the sales of the PB for some time, but the iBook will do that just as well.

That way, everyone can get revved up to buy some new laptops.

Steve will spin this as 'we are making the best new PB we can, but it will take us an extra few months and it will STILL be before our previously announced JUNE timeline.

I'm not so sure that Apple will, or should, announce specs for an upcoming PB. Right now we know what is out there, or at least in the pipeline. It may be to Apple's best interest to keep their plan in the dark a while longer, perhaps Merom time or whatever is the 'next big thing' that we all want in our new PB. Since we all know things are coming, they might as well keep it secret and build hype. Announcing something now that won't be realized until late '06 or early '07 would be a bit silly I think, since it would more than likely change over the next year.

Now if you move to another line and have them announce a Intel based iMac, then I think we're talking 🙂

 

[Mr Maui]

So apple insider claims Intel PBs, Thinksecret claims Intel iBooks... which will it be?

Either case it is really time to sell my PB 😀

Not sure which one it will be, but someone took my old Avatar. 😉

 

[reflex]

I don't think so. You buy a couch it should be comfortable. You buy a TV it should do what you want out of it. Now if you buy a piece of art. . .it should look pleasing. There isn't anything arrogant here. It’s the difference between wanting a tool to do something and wanting a status symbol. I personally abhor people who buy “stuff” because its trendy. More then anything it seems a bit shallow to me. *shrugs* That’s just how I see it. Nothing arrogant about it.

If you buy a couch, you also want it to fit in with the rest of your furniture to some extent.

 

[Photorun]

Wrong! The Bible does not teach that the Earth is flat but to the contrare it teaches that the Earth is round.

It's also the center of the universe (Psalm 104:5, 93:1, 96:10) and that you can't trim your hair in Leveticus 19:27 or approach the alter of god with bad eye sight in 21:20. Who needs science when you have humor that writes itself. The part about aliens though, now THAT part I believe!

By the way, not sure if you noticed but this is Macrumors.com, not godrumors.com, so keep your discussions to Mac topics, or at the very least, Jobs is god topics.

Thank you.

 

[jayscheuerle]

But what if it's flat and round? 😕

With a pat of butter and some maple syrup?

Hmmm... Earthcakes..

 

[jayscheuerle]

I would venture a guess that large players/partners, like Adobe, were probably given a heads-up on the switch well before we the user heard about it. Apple isn't dumb, they don't make decisions on a whim, and they don't want to burn bridges with major companies on a 'silly' switch. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple offered assistance directly to companies like Adobe in helping them get moved over to x86 OS X compatibility. They certainly aren't going to, rather didn't, leave Adobe in the dark on this switch until we heard about it, that isn't how business is done.

Then why do you think Adobe and especially Quark took so long to get OSX native progams out there the last time a switch was needed?

OSX 10.0 was released in March of 2001. Photoshop 7 in February of 2002. Quark 6 in June of 2003...

 

[reflex]

Since Mac OS will have the same features, the only issues are endian-ness and the ALTIVEC code. But that is easily tackled and can be tuned with point releases.

And any assembly code you're using. And 3rd party libraries that you don't happen to have the sourcecode for. And your development environment not supporting x86 binaries yet. And ...

Could be any number of reasons really. But I agree, for most apps endian-ness and altivec are the biggest problems.

 

[efoto]

Then why do you think Adobe and especially Quark took so long to get OSX native progams out there the last time a switch was needed?

OSX 10.0 was released in March of 2001. Photoshop 7 in February of 2002. Quark 6 in June of 2003...

Because they suck at coding? 😕

I don't know, forget what I said then 😛

 

[Cooknn]

I hope they keep a small notebook. If not 12" a 13" widescreen. And it would be sweet if they would use Mighty Mouse technology on the trackpad. I'll use it like a big PDA 😛