Intel iBooks with Front Row?

[motuman]

Please No Core Solo, makes no sense

Here's the main issues with this new iBook / Mac Book, (Mini Mac)

- If it has only a Intel Core Solo, I don't think it will be substantially faster than the current G4 (save the system bus) which is much faster, 667 MHz).

- I am hearing the Core Solo actually costs Apple close to the same as the Core Duo (maybe 50-100 bucks more).

So if this is true and it becomes public knowledge, how will this sit with Apple consumers.
Not well.

It will be exposed as a blatant and obvious attempt by Apple to "cripple" the iBook, in order to have some reason to purchase the $2000.00 Mac Book Pro, thus driving up sales of the Mac Book Pro.

Not going to fly with me. I would hate to be a Core Solo iBook purchaser to find out it is 25 %, maybe 50 % faster than a G4 PB, not good.

So there is no reason Apple should use a Core Solo in the iBook, except for this ploy of driving people to spend much more money on the Mac Book Pro

- White is so old, and to me a disaster. It needs to go. I am a Mac Sys admin, and embarrassed by the "white" and the thickness, please a New Design

- Sleeker, silver, black, something.

It seems to me on the Mac Book Pro and the new Intel iMac Apple is just rushing to get the Intel machines "out there", just to do it. That's fine, but I am not going to be the guinea pig on the Rev A's.

We see no radical design changes, Yet.

Why?, because the next generation Mac Books and maybe iBooks will have the new cases.

In fact I bet the cases are already finished and Apple is just waiting until June / July to introduce them.

Here's to hoping the new iBook / Mac Book have the new case designs, I do think a new iBook and Mini Mac are slated to be introduced very soon, like Feb. March.

And the Mini Mac. It also better have a Core Duo (option) and still be cheap or I ain't buying, and it better not be "White".

Also, this Summer / Fall the Intel Merom chip comes out, so maybe that is when we see newly redesigned Apple cases.

I still think from here on out All Apple Intel offerings should be Dual Core, at least, (Quad Core anyone?)

 

[BenRoethig]

Appleinsider reports that Apple will be extending Front Row to be included with the iBook this spring.

According to the rumor site, Apple will be upgrading the iBook with a 13" wide-screen display alongside Front Row and the Apple Remote. Much like the recently released Intel iMac and MacBook Pro, the iBook will incorporate a built-in iSight and also come bundled with Photo Booth.

The iBooks are said to retain a similar design as currently shipping iBooks, and will retain Firewire 400 connectors contrary to previous reports. The 13" model is expected to consolidate and replace both the 12" and 14" form factors that are presently shipping. The name of the final product remains up for debate. Previous comments raised speculation that the iBook may adopt the "MacBook" name.

A previous report had placed the release of the iBook in the 2nd calendar quarter of 2006. All recent iBook rumors can be reviewed at http://ibook.macrumors.com

Where do I sign up?

 

[d_and_n5000]

OK, where do I get one? I could definetly use the iSight. And the new form factor. And the...


Anyway, i need it all. When again? SPRING?!?!?!? WAY too long!!!!!!!! *huddles in a corner and cries*

 

[Spock]

I was playing with Photoshop here is what i want

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Looking forward to seeing the new iBooks, even though I won't be getting one. My TiBook is serving my needs very well so far.

 

[yankeefan24]

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OTOH, the 17" iMac is $1299, and that has a Core Duo and X1600 graphics ... so cut $300 off the price (i.e, about $200 off the BOM) and use laptop components, and you might have the next iBook.

i would buy that day 1. Thats more power than i need. Actually, thats very similar to the MBP. Way to similar. Unfortunatly i dont think thats what is going to happen. This iBook is really going to have to blow me away to get that. Just because merom coming out is going to be cool. We'll see.

 

[mdavey]

Apple has reportedly decided to base the new series of iBooks around a single enclosure and display size.

If this is true, it suggests that the laptop lines will be consolidated (kinda). 13" will be iBook or MacBook, 15 "and 17" will be MacBook Pro?

That would also suggest two models, a low-end 13" for $999 and a high-end 13" for $1499. I agree with others that at least the high-end model will get a 1.67GHz Core Duo processor and that the 15" MacBook Pro will be bumped from 1.67 and 1.83GHz to 1.83 and 2GHz.

Does that mean that one could, with some tinkering, enable the other core? Hypothetically, of course...

No. The chip is turned into a single-core by blowing an internal fuse-link inside the chip, permanently disconnecting one core from the power supply.

 

[yankeefan24]

I was playing with Photoshop here is what i want

i really dont like that camera. Sony's isnt bad. Its not as obvious as the MBP's.
computer:http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...AIONotebookComputers_SZWassabi&Dept=computers

image: http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/MoreImages/SZ140_3.jpg

EDIT: Now that i look at the MBPs, they aren't that obvious either. But, if apple wants to put an ir sensor in sony might have a better design. I HATE THAT HOLE ON THE MBP. On top of the screen would be preferred by me.

 

[nagromme]

Rosetta is far to important at the moment so it has to be a core duo for the iBook.

It doesn't have to. A Core Solo would run circles around a G4 for many of the basic apps people use--including iLife, and including all the other UB apps that are out in the coming months. Plus for many apps (word processing, home finance) just don't demand a lot of horsepower, and those tasks running like a G4 won't bother most low-end buyers during this transition. Rosetta means SOME people should choose to wait a few months. It means a low-end iBook isn't for professionals running Photoshop or LightWave--yet. It doesn't mean Apple can't use Core Solo.

Remember that good reports of Rosetta performance started even on the single-CPU developer kits. Two cores are faster than one, but NOT double the speed.

To the people who think Apple shouldn't use a Core Solo in their bottom-end laptops... do you think NO company should use a Core Solo? Or do you think Apple should leave the low-end laptop market to other companies, and use the highest-end laptop chip on the planet even in their low-end consumer machines?

I really don't see Core Duo ending up in an iBook replacement. (And I expect the Mac Mini will stay single-core as well.)

I disagree. The Celeron is perhaps the worlds lousiest chip.

And the Netburst Pentium line is a runner up.... but Celeron M is NOT related to Celeron any more than Pentium M is related to Pentium 4/Netburst. A Celeron M is a low-end version of a Pentium M (predecessor to Yonah). And if they keep the Celeron name for Yonah-based products, that will be even further removed from the desktop Celeron (Netburst) line. Don't let the name fool you.

 

[guffman]

More likely that the MBP will get a processor upgrade at the same time to differentiate it from the iBook (remember, the iMac is still the iMac, not iExpress or Mac Express).

Just to clear things up...The new Apple laptop won't be called an iBook, Apple is putting "Mac" in the names of all their computers. This is why "iMac" didn't change. Jobs says that the company is also trying to get away from the prefix "power" so I'm not sure what they are going to do for the current PowerMac. But expect the new laptop to be simply a MacBook.

 

[milkaxor]

i really dont like that camera. Sony's isnt bad. Its not as
EDIT: Now that i look at the MBPs, they aren't that obvious either. But, if apple wants to put an ir sensor in sony might have a better design. I HATE THAT HOLE ON THE MBP. Also, when i use my laptop, most of the time im on my couch with the bottom of the computer (where the ir sensor is) on my stomach. no ir signals getting in there. On top of the screen would be preferred by me.

Why would you be using an ir remote when it is sitting in your lap, touching your hands The point of it being in the front is for you to set it up next to a tv or a monitor and then go sit on a couch and use the remote from a distance.

Also, I don't know why some keep thinking that the ibook would be better off at 799. These prices haven't happened in the past and won't happen in the future. Apple doesn't get into price wars with PC laptop manufacturers because they don't have/need to. Also, they aren't gonna release some super-low budget laptop with nothing customizable or intergrated graphics.

I belive that iSight and Front Row will be on every mac from now on, which I am happy with. My predictions for the ibook are a core solo, yes it is slower and rosetta and all that jazz but this will be later in the year when a lot of universal binaries have started coming out, an x1300 and whatever AI said. I don't think the low-end ibook will have a superdrive, it will still be an add-on.

I really am anxious to see what they do with the new powermacs and the low and high end macbook pros.

 

[guffman]

i really dont like that camera. Sony's isnt bad. Its not as obvious as the MBP's.
computer:http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...AIONotebookComputers_SZWassabi&Dept=computers

image: http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/MoreImages/SZ140_3.jpg

EDIT: Now that i look at the MBPs, they aren't that obvious either. But, if apple wants to put an ir sensor in sony might have a better design. I HATE THAT HOLE ON THE MBP. Also, when i use my laptop, most of the time im on my couch with the bottom of the computer (where the ir sensor is) on my stomach. no ir signals getting in there. On top of the screen would be preferred by me.

That computer in the first link is FAR worse looking than the MPB. Also, why would you need to use the IR if your computer is right next to you? I think it designed to be used from across the room while hooked up to your TV.

 

[dansgil]

I was playing with Photoshop here is what i want

Why the off-center camera?

 

[MacTT]

I was playing with Photoshop here is what i want

Awesome, I got a nice visual.

 

[billystlyes]

Rumor is BS. The Core Solo isn't even coming out until June or so.

 

[MacinDoc]

Just to clear things up...The new Apple laptop won't be called an iBook, Apple is putting "Mac" in the names of all their computers. This is why "iMac" didn't change. Jobs says that the company is also trying to get away from the prefix "power" so I'm not sure what they are going to do for the current PowerMac. But expect the new laptop to be simply a MacBook.

However, Apple uses "i" in almost all of its consumer products...

iLife
iPhoto
iDVD
iChat
iDVD
iCal
iTunes
iMac
iPod

See a pattern? The PowerBook name had to go to get rid of "Power", more than to add "Mac", IMO.

So, the way I see it, the names will be:

iMac, Mac Pro
iBook, MacBook Pro

I suppose we could have the iMacBook, but I hope not...

 

[syklee26]

macbook

noway they put in core duo in there. since most of the power users (who use powerbooks) have bigger monitors to link it up, if Apple release macbook with 1.67 core duo, nobody will buy MBP.

I am expecting something like a Pentium M 1.2 which is in the Sony TX series. that way Apple can cut the cost, cut the weight, and still look cool.

 

[MacinDoc]

- I am hearing the Core Solo actually costs Apple close to the same as the Core Duo (maybe 50-100 bucks more).

To be precise, the price difference is $32, in lots of 1000 processors, and the difference for Apple is likely less.

I still think from here on out All Apple Intel offerings should be Dual Core, at least, (Quad Core anyone?)

Apple, which loves to advertise things like "world's first desktop supercomputer", "world's first 64-bit personal computer", and "worlds's fastest computer", would love to be the "only personal computer maker with all multicore CPUs".

Skylee26 may also be right, it may not be a Core chip at all, but an older one instead, such as Pentium M or Celeron M, but the Core Solo seems to be a poor choice for the money.

 

[Elrond39]

with regards to front row with remote, they may advertise it as "front row capable"


kind of like when the airport extreme cards were optional in the powerbooks.... it said "airport extreme ready" as in you can have the airport extreme inside but you have to buy that part yourself.....

i could see it having front row and the IR port, but if you want to use that part you need to buy the remote separately for $40-50.....

You know, this isn't even that far-fetched an idea... lucky me for already having the remote (IR Universal dock for my iPod).

 

[Spock]

Why the off-center camera?

The camera is to large to fit under the latch on the current iBook I didnt want to offset the latch and I only wanted one latch. I also figured the iSight used a wide camera angle and with that small of an offset who would notice?

 

[matthewHUB]

All i care about is will it have a good enough graphics card to support multiple video conferencing in iChat?!!!! I currently have a powerbook, and 3 other ibooks in my family, all with isights. It's so annoying that we can't all talk with eachother. I don't care about 4-way but at least 3-way would be nice.

M

 

[mrgreen4242]

Rumor is BS. The Core Solo isn't even coming out until June or so.

Uh. Intel is listing them for sale... http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

Sony says they can get me a Core Solo equipped notebook in 3 to 5 days... http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...VAIONotebookComputers_SZSeries&Dept=computers

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they are shipping them now.

 

[Natron]

Powerbook 17" => MacBook Extreme
Powerbook 15" => MacBook Pro
Powerbook 12" => MacBook Express (13")
iBook 12" & 14" => iBook (13")

I like that naming convention.

If you think about it, doesn't iBook sound just as dumb? I love mine, but the whole "i" thing is old, and doesn't make much sense... the whole "WOW" factor of the "i"nternet has worn off. MacBook makes much more since... and I feel the same way about PowerBook, as both units use a "Power" PC processor...

I've always considered "i" to mean integrated. It makes more sense than "i"nternet.

So, the way I see it, the names will be:

iMac, Mac Pro
iBook, MacBook Pro

I suppose we could have the iMacBook, but I hope not...

But iBook is the only one of those without Mac in the name. When I first heard the MacBook name, I honestly didn't like it, but I understood why it is called that. Now, a few weeks later, I am liking it just fine. I would rather see iBook than MacBook, but I won't be surprised at all by it.

And all you people who absolutely hate the name MacBook, or say you will never buy a MacBook, I guess you better plan to never buy an Apple laptop again.

 

[FocusAndEarnIt]

I was playing with Photoshop here is what i want

Oh wow, that would be awesome.

I'll probably sell mine to get one.

 

[ChoMomma]

Just use Handbrake to convert it to an .mp4 file. The file will be smaller and still look great, you just won't be able to skip to chapter markers. You can put that file in your "Movies" folder and play it through FrontRow.

Exactly!! I've been doing that on the new iMac G5 (w/isight) that Santa brought my wife and I for xmas. It comes with a 200+ GB Harddrive.. so why not!