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Intel Launches Haswell Processors Ahead of WWDC Mac Updates
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Haswell (v3) is the generation after ivy bridge (v2, and ivy bridge xeons have been available for a while). In fact, if you click on the intel announcement, it actually mentions Xeon E3-1200 v3 as part of today's introduction.
The E5 needed for dual cpu Mac Pros is still a couple months off, but next week Apple could announce new MP with E5/dual versions shipping later but E3 quads shipping immediately.
The one downside to the new generation of chips is that so far they don't have a version of the single socket xeon that's more than four cores. Are those expected later? Or will people have to buy the dual versions even for single socket 6 (or more) core?
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I'm really interested in getting a Haswell 13" rMBP, but I'm looking at all these Haswell SKUs and cannot find any 35W processors with the Iris graphics. There's a quad-core 37W (Core i7-4702HQ) and a dual core 37W (Core i7-4600M) but both of those have HD4600 graphics.
Can someone let me know if I'm missing something? And if I'm not, are the HD4600 graphics any good? I'd rather get the smaller size of the 13" but I'd like decent graphics performance too...
Can someone let me know if I'm missing something? And if I'm not, are the HD4600 graphics any good? I'd rather get the smaller size of the 13" but I'd like decent graphics performance too...
WWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee!!!!!!! Man, I can't wait for WWDC and getting my new rMBP so I can trash my buddy who wouldn't wait 3 weeks for the refresh. Gonna be sweet.
4600 is around 30% faster than 4000, and as of now, it looks like there will be no Iris for the 13".
So far the reviews on Haswell haven't been that stellar as it was originally thought. The performance jump has been similar to what Ivy Bridge was over Sandy Bridge.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/4.html
The battery performance is said to better in terms of stand-by time when the lid of the notebook is closed.
The internal GPU is a little better too. Some people here thought this would rid of the UI lag that some say have experienced with the Retina Macbook Pros like flipping pages in iCal. Though judging from the benchmarks I don't think Haswell is the answer to that but more on Apple tweaking the OS. A clear example of this is how much the UI fluidity has improved since 10.7 to 10.8.3 on the Retina Macbook Pros.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/4.html
The battery performance is said to better in terms of stand-by time when the lid of the notebook is closed.
The internal GPU is a little better too. Some people here thought this would rid of the UI lag that some say have experienced with the Retina Macbook Pros like flipping pages in iCal. Though judging from the benchmarks I don't think Haswell is the answer to that but more on Apple tweaking the OS. A clear example of this is how much the UI fluidity has improved since 10.7 to 10.8.3 on the Retina Macbook Pros.
After what 35 years, you expect Apple to start listening to customers.
Thanks for the laugh
Until you find out that he got it from apple and they have no issue with returning his and letting him use the money for the new one. Even at two weeks past the return period.
They do it all the time
I hated the headline. I know it's macrumors, but for the people who only get their computer news from macrumors it must sound like everything revolves around, and that everything is done with Apple in mind. Before now I never associated Haswell with Apple.
Updated 15-inch Retina MBP, please.
My mid-2009 17-inch MBP still rocks (putting an SSD inside last year made it a new machine), but I am ready to buy.
My mid-2009 17-inch MBP still rocks (putting an SSD inside last year made it a new machine), but I am ready to buy.
Looking forward to a MBA with Haswell as well. That looks like the right model to upgrade to.
Some people would love the performance of Pentium 4 and under, while running the latest fart & calculator apps.
In b4 Apple ditches ARM altogether.
Not necessarily stupid, though I know where you're coming from.
Imagine a MacBook Air the size and weight of an iPad that gives you all-day battery life running full OS X applications.
We're slowly working our way there...
Now if only they'd put bigger batteries in the iPhones, instead of constantly trying to shave thickness off it. The existing thickness is good. Give us an iPhone with a battery life measured in days, not hours!
I just invested over $2500 into ivy bridge and will continue to support my current workstation for years to come.
there are still people who did the same with sandy bridge and are doing fine 3 years later
there are still people who did the same with sandy bridge and are doing fine 3 years later
At least those pie in the sky folks who expected IRIS graphics in their 13" MBPs can finally realize that they should have been listening to those of us who warned against such wild expectations.
And since the mini follows the 13" MBP, that will skip IRIS for the base configurations as well.
And since the mini follows the 13" MBP, that will skip IRIS for the base configurations as well.
So you don't believe Apple is testing OS X on ARM in their labs in anticipation for future ARM chips that might be powerful enough to meet their needs?
It might not happen anytime soon, but if you don't think they're considering all the possibilities several years down the road, you're the one who's crazy: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...ble-but-apple-unlikely-to-switch-anytime-soon
An E3 based "Mac Pro" likely would not be simply called "Mac Pro", if "Mac Pro" at all. It would likely be significantly smaller and more limited box. The number of PCI-e slots would get throttled ( the E3 only supports 20 lanes while an E5 supports 40 (or 80 in dual set ups). ) There is no where near enough supply 4 slots and thunderbolt and all the other PCI-e controllers Apple typically inserts in a Mac.
What saying is that there would be two different boxes. Perhaps "Mac Pro S" (Short) and "Mac Pro T" (Tall).
Some E5 are needed for dual ( E5 2600 series) but other E5 (1600 series) would fit for single package Mac Pros ( same relative relationship to Xeon 3500/3600 and 5500/5600 series before).
There won't be one this year. Haswell (v3) Xeon E5 is likely 2H 2014 (if not Q1 2015 if there is a slide once again.)
The Xeon E3 and mainstream Core i offerings all have integrated GPUs. Budget for transistors is being allocated to GPU to bring them up to speed. With added OpenCL 1.2 capability the GPGPU means not loose much if anything at all if just wanted to "crunch floating point numbers" with those extra cores. The GPGPU is just as effective ( if not more on the 'embarrassingly parallel' computations ).
Xeon E5 1600 are expected in the Fall along with 2600. Similar specs to these.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/...ge-E_extreme_CPUs_to_launch_in_September.html
1600's aren't duals. They share the same implementation architecture but the dual functionality is switched off.
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We are all sure they are but by the time ARM catches up to Intels CPU performance there is also just as likely a chance for Intel to catch up to ARM's power consumption performance.