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Intel Launches Haswell Processors Ahead of WWDC Mac Updates

melchior said:
What is "fresh data" in this context and how does it affect battery life?
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I interpreted this as standby without the computer needing to update a bunch of data, like syncing dropbox, syncing your iphone, indexing spotlight, uploading to photostream, etc. I could be wrong though.
 
flux73 said:
So you don't believe Apple is testing OS X on ARM in their labs in anticipation for future ARM chips that might be powerful enough to meet their needs?

It might not happen anytime soon, but if you don't think they're considering all the possibilities several years down the road, you're the one who's crazy: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...ble-but-apple-unlikely-to-switch-anytime-soon
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They are always testing. The had OS X running on intel LONG before they made the switch. But that was because it was a viable alternative. ARM? Not so much. At least not for a WHILE.
 
this chip really benefits laptop user, with better integrated graphics, lower tdp, and longer battery life. so yeah, the desktop just become a truck.
 
milo said:
Haswell (v3) is the generation after ivy bridge (v2, and ivy bridge xeons have been available for a while). In fact, if you click on the intel announcement, it actually mentions Xeon E3-1200 v3 as part of today's introduction.

The E5 needed for dual cpu Mac Pros is still a couple months off, but next week Apple could announce new MP with E5/dual versions shipping later but E3 quads shipping immediately.

The one downside to the new generation of chips is that so far they don't have a version of the single socket xeon that's more than four cores. Are those expected later? Or will people have to buy the dual versions even for single socket 6 (or more) core?
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Thanks, I did not know this. I'm still prepared for Apple not to mention the Mac Pro at WWDC but am hoping for a surprise...
 
milo said:
Haswell (v3) is the generation after ivy bridge (v2, and ivy bridge xeons have been available for a while). In fact, if you click on the intel announcement, it actually mentions Xeon E3-1200 v3 as part of today's introduction.

The E5 needed for dual cpu Mac Pros is still a couple months off, but next week Apple could announce new MP with E5/dual versions shipping later but E3 quads shipping immediately.

The one downside to the new generation of chips is that so far they don't have a version of the single socket xeon that's more than four cores. Are those expected later? Or will people have to buy the dual versions even for single socket 6 (or more) core?
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The E3 Xeons are currently (or will be) based on Haswell. The E5s are based on Ivy Bridge-EP, which has not yet been released.

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-T...ming-Haswell-and-Ivy-Bridge-E-Xeon-Processors
 
Woodcrest64 said:
So far the reviews on Haswell haven't been that stellar as it was originally thought. The performance jump has been similar to what Ivy Bridge was over Sandy Bridge.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/4.html


The battery performance is said to better in terms of stand-by time when the lid of the notebook is closed.

The internal GPU is a little better too. Some people here thought this would rid of the UI lag that some say have experienced with the Retina Macbook Pros like flipping pages in iCal. Though judging from the benchmarks I don't think Haswell is the answer to that but more on Apple tweaking the OS. A clear example of this is how much the UI fluidity has improved since 10.7 to 10.8.3 on the Retina Macbook Pros.
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I wasn't really expecting a huge jump in performance but the GPU performance was something I was waiting to hear about, that sucks due to the hype that was built around it. Now I'm not even sure on battery life just due to how much power the display takes from the rMBP. I mean I'm sure will see an improvement but not the huge jump everyone was expecting. They need to improve battery tech or find a screen that has better power consumption.
 
Mad Mac Maniac said:
I would like to see Apple do something radical with the MBA. It now is capable of significant power and battery efficiency. Let's mix things up.
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So far you have been only hearing Intel's marketing department. There is marketing info, and there is real life, and we need to see how much difference there is.
 
Crzyrio said:
We are all sure they are but by the time ARM catches up to Intels CPU performance there is also just as likely a chance for Intel to catch up to ARM's power consumption performance.
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Yes, so you agree that ARM designs could ramp up the performance to equal or surpass Intel. Now factor in a couple of other facts:
- Apple already has a team of engineers who now have at least several years experience designing ARM chips. The benefits then extend to the possibility of optimizing their chip designs to the OS or vice versa.
- Designing it themselves, paying a small licensing fee to ARM, and having them built by a foundry like TSMC, GF, or even Samsung is MUCH cheaper than buying chips from Intel

The second point is the big one. Having that cost edge is what helps Apple maintain or support their margins. So the idea that Apple would like to be able to have an ARM based Mac is not so crazy.
 
Does this mean that if the average PC gets 9 hours from this generation, that Macbooks, specifically the MBA and rMBP could get 20+?

And play Civ V a lot better on a MBA?
 
Can the 13r get this rumored 28w with iris 5100 in the fall?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7012/asus-zenbook-infinity-28w-haswell-with-iris-5100-graphics-2560-x-1440-panel
 
flux73 said:
The second point is the big one. Having that cost edge is what helps Apple maintain or support their margins. So the idea that Apple would like to be able to have an ARM based Mac is not so crazy.
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They'd love to have one, I'm sure. That'd mean they have nearly complete control of their hardware from top to bottom, and can produce it far more cheaply than going with Intel.

Thing is, ARM isn't anywhere near as powerful as an Intel chip just yet, and there's zero software support for it outside of smartphones and tablets. While this won't always be the case, I'm sure that by the time it happens, we'd see Apple nix the Mac line entirely because the iDevices would be powerful enough to take their place.
 
For those who are complaining about the name - all I can say is who really cares?

They could call it the rooty tooty fresh and fruity chip (they won't since I'm sure that's trademarked) - as long as it performed well - that's all that matters.

Why get caught up in a name of an internal component?
 
Hmmm, interesting differences between the "H" and "M" variants for the MQ processors.

Looks like the chips with the better iGPU (Iris 5200 pro) trades off significant CPU performance; the fastest chips, the 3.0GHz, have only the HD4600, which means that the Haswell MBP will probably still need a dGPU.

I wonder which ones the mac mini will get?
 
Honest question...

InfoTime said:
I care about this only if it means a new Mac Pro will be announced and shipping soon.
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Are the current Mac Pros slouches in some way? I know they haven't been updated in a long time, but I'd figured the 6-core Xeon chips in them would still be blazing fast. No?
 
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