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sure, but with Apple's markups, it will triple the price of the machine. Of course, there will be no option for user upgradability - that's NOT the Apple way.

i expect price will be high but that is ok. i am willing to pay if you have it. well. let hope it isn't that high :(
 
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Intel's graphics drivers are a joke and I wonder how Apple expects people to buy and play latest games from App store with these worthless turds?

Apple don't expect you to play the latest games from the App store, they expect to make the highest profit margin they can.

Intel has nailed the CPU part, but in terms of GPU speed, they are 2-3 generations behind.

Agreed, desktop Pascal will be out in April from the latest rumours, yet we wont see this absolute beast of technology in a mac ever I'm afraid. Just how we never saw Maxwell in a mac product.

It's one of the reasons I go hackintosh on the majority of my computers, luckily nVidia still support OSX users with newer hardware via their web drivers.
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It's been blowing them away for about 4 years now. The 2012 MacBook pro is the last laptop form Apple that was worthy of paying for.

Agreed. I wish I got a 2012 instead of the 2011, which is a ticking time bomb from radeongate. The 2012 I think would've served me fine for years to come. I ain't buying any of their latest laptop products, nothing comes close to suiting my needs, even if you ignore the ridiculous prices (in Australia).
 
If it's not gonna include AMD's new Polaris architecture GPU on the big model, I will skip this generation of Macbook Pros, simple as that.

Skylake's improvements on IPC are miniscule at best, as is a 10% increase in CPU clocks.

Don't try Apple, instead deliver a premium product that has all the bells, not just the whistles.
 
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The current MacBook range is an inconsistent mess in desperate need of rationalisation.

Is it?

12" MacBook is Apple's self-proclaimed take on the future of computing. It was not marketed as the MacBook Air replacement and it's not supposed to be the Air replacement. The 12" MacBook essentially shows us what we can expect in future MacBooks (very thin, light and in the future wireless technologies such as wireless charging etc will be present in this line).

The MacBook Air is essentially aimed at anyone and the Air is the 'entry' level MacBook. And the MacBook Pro is aimed at those who want a premium MacBook/Computer & those that need the extra horsepower.

I'm not sure what is so confusing about the above. Could Apple merge the Pro & Air line? Yes, but that wouldn't really be ideal as they'd have to offer a wide range of configurations to allow it still be an entry level MacBook and still offer the same level of higher-end options to satisfy those of us who buy the Pro.

Could Apple kill off the Air and expand the 12" MacBook like to include a 14" or 15" model? Yes, but I think we are still at least a year or two away from that scenario. I think Apple will simplify the MacBook line as and when technology allows, but not just yet.
 
Without Iris Pro?

Why not? What exactly the Iris Pro, bring a plus for the Mac Mini? Is it the size? Or it produces less heat? Or spends less energy? Or all three of those? I know it is not battery life, since Mac Mini doesn't have any.

I think the Mac Mini would benefit largely with those AMD GPU that the IMac 27" have. Doesn't have enough size? Why not make a mini trash can (Mac Pro), that uses the benefit of the mac pro arquitecture? Make a less taller version of Mac Pro, for example. There is plenty space for the Mac Mini to incoporate those kind of GPUs. It is already tiny enough.

I think Apple would benefit with this option, since it will attrack a lot of people like me, that the most demanding game they play is like Football Manger, Civilization 5 or Starcraft 2.
 
Why not? What exactly the Iris Pro, bring a plus for the Mac Mini? Is it the size? Or it produces less heat? Or spends less energy? Or all three of those? I know it is not battery life, since Mac Mini doesn't have any.

I think the Mac Mini would benefit largely with those AMD GPU that the IMac 27" have. Doesn't have enough size? Why not make a mini trash can (Mac Pro), that uses the benefit of the mac pro arquitecture? Make a less taller version of Mac Pro, for example. There is plenty space for the Mac Mini to incoporate those kind of GPUs. It is already tiny enough.

I think Apple would benefit with this option, since it will attrack a lot of people like me, that the most demanding game they play is like Football Manger, Civilization 5 or Starcraft 2.

What you are describing at the bottom is almost exactly the headless mac that many have wanted for years. A line of mac's that are higher performance than a mac mini, lower than a mac pro, and dont have a built in monitor. If they were made with some upgradability (i.e. pci slots for changing graphics cards etc), I would buy one in a heart beat - provided the price isnt insane.
 
"Most of Apple's Mac lineup is in need of updates, as Intel's Skylake delays have hampered Apple's ability to launch refreshed models."

Uh, well, the CPU is just one component of a laptop. I think Apple is just not quite as 'visionary' as they once were. There are plenty of other things that could be changed/upgraded while waiting around for a deficient parts supplier.

If Apple was a bit less stubborn, they might consider discrete GPUs for most models - the opposite of the lame integrated graphics approach they've taken lately. Intel might be behind, but NVidia has been making great strides in GPU performance.

How about USB-C? How about putting the damn Ethernet port back? How about being a little bit LESS obsessed with thin, and provide even longer battery life? How about 24bit 96kHz audio, with a super high quality DAC? Maybe a higher quality FaceTime camera too? How about beveling the inside edge of the laptop so it stops cutting into your wrists when typing for more than 5 minutes?

Or how about fixing several bugs and restoring features in Mac OS X that your customers have been asking for, for several years now?

Oh, and stop soldering the damn RAM onto the motherboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wise words. can't agree more. maybe just add a fingerprint scanner.
 
It's one of the reasons I go hackintosh on the majority of my computers, luckily nVidia still support OSX users with newer hardware via their web drivers.

Same here, and I'm surprised why I ever even bothered buying a Mac Pro in the first place; limited hardware, awful choice of video cards and when there is choice they're way overpriced and yet still typically 2 generations old, etc. I can't believe it took me 2-3 years of wondering about building a Hackintosh, but the one I got now just runs CIRCLES around any Mac I've come across and I paid so little for it.

That said, I can't wait for Pascal. I bought a GTX 960 a while back, a good medium range card but I don't game as much as I'd like to (work). Luckily, I won't have Apple's limitations holding me back as I can slap in any nVidia GPU I want.

Agreed. I wish I got a 2012 instead of the 2011, which is a ticking time bomb from radeongate. The 2012 I think would've served me fine for years to come. I ain't buying any of their latest laptop products, nothing comes close to suiting my needs, even if you ignore the ridiculous prices (in Australia).

I actually had the 2011 MacBook Pro and it did fail on me. After I got it back from repairs, a $600 fix for the motherboard, I put it up for sale and went out looking for a 2012 MacBook Pro with the matte finish screen (love it) and an Nvidia GT 650m. I don't use it much though, as the majority of my work gets done on my Hackintosh and laptop from work, but I keep my own regardless as I do travel a bit.
 
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I'm all in for a 16" Xeon MacBook. My wallet is ready.

I am with you on a larger screen Xeon MacBook Pro. I am hanging onto my 17" Early 2011 MBP hoping for TB3, USB-C, and the dream that Apple would bring back a larger screen for my video editing / VFX / Colour / teaching work. That plus more RAM and I would be so happy. Unfortunately I have not seen any suggestions that Apple will abandon their "15 is enough" policy. I totally get there is only a small market for the larger screen but would argue it is a market of influencers.
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5. Dp1.3 ?
The lack of support for DisplayPort 1.3 is imposed by Intel, not Apple. Kick Intel's butt for having fallen so far behind. Of course, this what happens with a lack of competition.
 
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The existing Macbook Pro with discrete graphics already supports 5k screens, albeit with dual displayport output.
Problem with MST is that it's not future proof. If the rest of industry only sells at the end of this year computers with dp1.3, the monitor industry will make only SST monitors for them. Then with mac, which can't have dedicated dp1.3 port EVER, you are locked with few old, expensive, very soon obsolete models.
But there's hope; hp's new zbook G3 doesn't have dedicated dp port either, so the monitor industry might keep MST alive. At least, logically, hp's monitors will...

Btw, that zbook 17" G3 is techincally what I'd like too with Apple logo: 17" anti-glare Dreamcolor UHD, 9 GPUs to choose from, max. 64GB ram, Xeon if you like... http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/zbook-17.html
Skylake itself isn't 3.1 yet, but Apple will likely add a controller.
That would be first for Apple. They tried hard and long for years to add usb3 controller to mbp, but couldn't find room even in 17" model. They tried their best, but couldn't. TB & fw controller took all the space and weight. They just had to wait for intel to integrate usb3 to their chipset.
The lack of support for DisplayPort 1.3 is imposed by Intel, not Apple. Kick Intel's butt for having fallen so far behind. Of course, this what happens with a lack of competition.
Has intel commanded Apple that it can't use dGPU with discreet dp1.3 port? Same way that Apple's hdmi ports can't be 2.0(a)? Poor Apple has no other choice than just do what they are told to...
 
For some people it's not all about the specs but about the life cycle. Buying a Mac at the beginning of the revision's life cycle makes sense if you want to maximize it's useful life. If you buy a current MacBook Pro right now, just before the next revision is about to ship, you are spending a lot of money on a 1 year old computer and cutting the same amount of time off it's useful life.

A lot of people (myself included) are in the market for a new MacBook Pro right now, but are waiting for the next revision to maximize useful life. This is especially applicable for people who hold onto their Macs for an extended period of time and don't upgrade every 1-2 years.

If you need a computer right now, buy one right now. If you can hold off, it would be wise to do so with todays news.

This is where I am at right now. I have a 2007 MBP and a 2010 27" iMac. My wife wants a 15" laptop, but she only wants it for basic stuff like web browsing and word processing. She says she would be fine with my current MBP and that I should have the new one. We just got our stolen money back from the government (aka tax return) so it is tempting to buy the current model. But I, like you, am smart and I'm gonna wait it out.
 
Waiting for Apple to release:
  • 16-inch 16:10 2400p display
  • Xeon CPUs
  • Quadro M3000M GPU (or AMD FirePro equivalent) option
  • NVME SSD
  • 32GB or 64GB options
  • ECC RAM options
That would be a true "Pro" laptop.
 
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12" MacBook is Apple's self-proclaimed take on the future of computing. It was not marketed as the MacBook Air replacement and it's not supposed to be the Air replacement. The 12" MacBook essentially shows us what we can expect in future MacBooks (very thin, light and in the future wireless technologies such as wireless charging etc will be present in this line).

The MacBook Air is essentially aimed at anyone and the Air is the 'entry' level MacBook. And the MacBook Pro is aimed at those who want a premium MacBook/Computer & those that need the extra horsepower.

I'm not sure what is so confusing about the above. Could Apple merge the Pro & Air line? Yes, but that wouldn't really be ideal as they'd have to offer a wide range of configurations to allow it still be an entry level MacBook and still offer the same level of higher-end options to satisfy those of us who buy the Pro.

Could Apple kill off the Air and expand the 12" MacBook like to include a 14" or 15" model? Yes, but I think we are still at least a year or two away from that scenario. I think Apple will simplify the MacBook line as and when technology allows, but not just yet.
We should remember that the Air wasn't the entry-level model when it was released in 2008. We had the plastic MacBook and the aluminium MacBook Pro at that time. In 2010 the 11" MBA was added and the Airs became SSD-only. It was 2011 when the plastic MacBook was finally dropped. New features like SSD-only or retina screens are always introduced at a higher price first and existing models remain in the lineup at a lower price until the price of newer-technology products drops.

A lot of people would have wanted Airs with retina screens (and wouldn't have minded if the extra power draw required a slightly larger battery and thus slightly thicker and heavier computer). But if those retina Airs would have come within 10-15% of the retina MacBook Pro in terms of price and weight, I don't think those people wishing for retina Airs would have been happy either. Nor would the MacBook lineup have been better than what we have now.
 
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These processors are great and all, but, is there any macbook that can have more than 16gb of RAM? It's been a limitation for a long time.

Agreed. I have to lug around my Alienware to run all my virtuals. Would love to be able to run all of them from my MacBook. I am getting close to needing an upgrade for my non-iOS dev environments and never planned on getting anything but the first 32gb MacBook Pro, but if we don't see one in 2016 I'll have to get something else. Sucks, big time!
 
Agreed. I have to lug around my Alienware to run all my virtuals. Would love to be able to run all of them from my MacBook. I am getting close to needing an upgrade for my non-iOS dev environments and never planned on getting anything but the first 32gb MacBook Pro, but if we don't see one in 2016 I'll have to get something else. Sucks, big time!

Is there any laptop at all that has 32gb of RAM? Do single 16gb sticks even exist?
 
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Is there any laptop at all that has 32gb of RAM? Do single 16gb sticks even exist?

Yep. My Alienware has 32 gb. 4 sticks - 2 under the keyboard, very painful getting in and out. First set I had in went bad, so I have had it apart twice. There are several others out there also. My Alienware is like 4 years old now. Apple needs to get real and step up.
 
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