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Intel Mac Firmware Update Brings BIOS Support
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Now why would companies even make Mac versions of programs or games with this being released? Seems silly at this point. They can just make a Windows version and people can run it on Windows either on their Mac or their PC.
Richard Bleiche said:
Actually people that are in the software industry and unstand Mac software engineering aren't the least bit worried about these issues
Abercrombieboy said:
WHEN have SOFTWARE companies EVER worked this way
With Atari but NOT with any other OS.
So I have XP installed, again... I had to format though, apparently xom.efi messes up the 200mb ((hidden)) boot partition and renders it impossible to install the firmware update on intel imac... no big deal I guess, tho i was quite perplexed for awhile before I decided to format and start over.
yac_moda said:WHEN have SOFTWARE companies EVER worked this way
With Atari but NOT with any other OS.
Let me see here...95-97% of the world is Windows whether we like to believe that or not. My guess is developing a Mac version of anything that already has a Windows versions nets little or no profit. Companies are in business for only one reason...to make a profit. If they stop making their Mac version, it will not change sales much, why? People who own Macs will just buy the Windows version and run it. So...the same amount of sales with less development cost. You can laugh all you want at what I am saying...just wait...I can see this especially when it comes to games. Macs will slowly transistion closer and closer to becoming a Windows computer. Just give it a few years and we will see. I think the Intel move was good, but there is going to be a lot more that changes because of it, then just the chip inside the computer. Does it mean that someday there will be no Apple OS? Who knows...
Richard Bleiche said:
WHAT IF Apple uses the Transitive Technology to look at the Windows code in Windows applications running IN A FUTURE VERSION OF MAC OS X THAT CAN RUN WINDOWS APPS
...... to optimize the CODE for Mac OS X in those WINDOWS apps so they will RUN MUCH FASTER ON A MAC then on ORDINARY WINDOWS machines
Then Macs will have an adventage that will ALWAYs sell
And there will be NO NEED to rewrite the code, JUST FOR MACs.
The interface pieces of the Windows code could also be changed with the Trans tech to look Macish !!!
GOODTHING
This is my first post from XP on my MacBook!!
I love it I just finished with all the drivers and it works great can't wait to show it off at work tomorrow!!!!
I love it I just finished with all the drivers and it works great can't wait to show it off at work tomorrow!!!!
Electro Funk said:Whew... ok got that fixed... now for round 2...
Success!
Even have the Sling Box streaming my DVR
This is running flawlessly, although i think ultimately i would rather be able to run a few select winblows programs under osx without xp on the system...
bbyrdhouse said:
That's what I'm afraid is going to happen. Dual Booting is only the beginning - once Windows apps run directly under OS X using some sort of compatibility framework (e.g. Crossover Office, Cedega), the effects will start to show quickly, I believe.
Lokigames, a company that ported Windows games to Linux, closed about half a year after Cedega/Transgaming started to offer its compatibility software for Linux. OS/2 was gone 2 years after windows apps ran directly in OS/2...
bense27 said:has anybody tried the firmware update yet? I am afraid to do it
yes, no problems. Tried it on an 20" iMac.
awoodhouse said:
it said something like that in the EULA if I remember correctly but it didn't say for how long it would be running. I'd say that paragraph is just included in just about any kind of beta software. I seriously doubt they'll disable Boot Camp once the Beta runs out, leaving all the users who bought XP specifially for this in the dark.
What it also says in the EULA: the software might not be free for Tiger users once it's released.
This is wild...
And it's going to increase Mac sales right now. Where this leads to I couldn't say.
Installed the firmware on a Mac Mini solo with 512 ram. Everything as according to the instructions except there was a really loud noise from the mini and it was loud considering there are no speakers attached.
But after the boot the firmware loaded fine and rebooted into the system. I downloaded the Boot Camp software but got stuck at the disk partition. Have to go and pull out the install disk and fix that.
Can't go beyond that anyway as I don't have a usb mouse around, just the bluetooth one.
Note: Apple says bluetooth is not supported on Windows XP even with the drivers installed so that would mean you would need a non-bluetooth keyboard/mouse solution.
My intel mini sits on my stereo stand. And it doesn't want any cords.
Oh well, a pretty thrilling day for this world of computing. Puts to rest some of the 30th birthday party blues doesn't it.
This is high stakes poker baby!
And it's going to increase Mac sales right now. Where this leads to I couldn't say.
Installed the firmware on a Mac Mini solo with 512 ram. Everything as according to the instructions except there was a really loud noise from the mini and it was loud considering there are no speakers attached.
But after the boot the firmware loaded fine and rebooted into the system. I downloaded the Boot Camp software but got stuck at the disk partition. Have to go and pull out the install disk and fix that.
Can't go beyond that anyway as I don't have a usb mouse around, just the bluetooth one.
Note: Apple says bluetooth is not supported on Windows XP even with the drivers installed so that would mean you would need a non-bluetooth keyboard/mouse solution.
My intel mini sits on my stereo stand. And it doesn't want any cords.
Oh well, a pretty thrilling day for this world of computing. Puts to rest some of the 30th birthday party blues doesn't it.
This is high stakes poker baby!
cryptochrome said:
Well, the firmware update and Bootcamp are two different things: the firmware update adds BIOS support to the EFI loader of the Intel Macs. That one's not a beta and will DEFINITELY not expire.
Bootcamp itself consists of a harddisk repartitioning tool and a bootloader. Bootcamp is beta and could expire I guess (although I don't think it will). Of course, now that there's BIOS support for the Intel Mac, ANY kind of boot loader can be used, including lilo. Linux also has been offering harddisk repartitioning for years so that technology is around - HFS support has to be added, of course. It'll be a matter of months, I guess, until we see third-party solutions that do the same thing as Bootcamp.
Electro Funk said:Well... Ran Bootcamp on my 20" 2ghz iMac... made the driver CD for XP....
Came to partition the drive... Allocated 15gb of 500 for win XP...
started the partition and got the error:
your startup disk cannot be partitioned because varification failed.
start up your macintosh from a mac osx install disk and use disk utility to repair your startup disk
yeah, what's the problem? same thing happened to me - just do as the Bootcamp tells you and you're up and running in 5 minutes.
dalvin200 said:
well, first of all: the firmware IS NOT bootcamp IS NOT the firmware! The new firmware and bootcamp are two DIFFERENT things.
The new firmware is not beta software and is supported by Apple, so you shouldn't worry too much there. Bootcamp, on the other hand, is beta. And apart from that, repartitioning your harddrive is ALWAYS risky, no matter what tool you use. ALWAYS make a backup of all your data before repartioning your harddrive, no matter whether you're using Bootcamp or any other tool on a PC.
Hey guys, calm down and let's get back to the topic.
I'm also amazed by Apple's move, and it suits my situation just perfect. I got a MBP from the first lot, i.e. I was one of the first in Germany to get one. The SuperDrive unfortunately broke 10 days after I got the Laptop, so I returned it.
Meanwhile, I moved to another country, sure as hell getting a new one ASAP. If I had had the MBP when the onmac.net solution came out, I would have tried it right away, but I'm kinda happy now that I can now have a fresh go at the 'proper' apple-solution to this.
There is a number of software pieces that I really need, but were not available, or only poorly working / crippeled versions of for OS X.
Thank you, Apple! I love you (that MPB was my 'switch' to the 'other side' btw. ;-))
I'm also amazed by Apple's move, and it suits my situation just perfect. I got a MBP from the first lot, i.e. I was one of the first in Germany to get one. The SuperDrive unfortunately broke 10 days after I got the Laptop, so I returned it.
Meanwhile, I moved to another country, sure as hell getting a new one ASAP. If I had had the MBP when the onmac.net solution came out, I would have tried it right away, but I'm kinda happy now that I can now have a fresh go at the 'proper' apple-solution to this.
There is a number of software pieces that I really need, but were not available, or only poorly working / crippeled versions of for OS X.
Thank you, Apple! I love you (that MPB was my 'switch' to the 'other side' btw. ;-))
yac_moda and all who are arguing with him/her:
You aren't going to get anywhere. You're taking up thread space. I'd express a personal opinion on this, but I don't want to get involved. So, instead, I've asked the mods to wipe out most of the last page or so.
And just so you know, yac_moda the mods can block entire subnets. It is against the Forum Rules to have more than one account, even if one is banned. Email the mods if you think you've been banned unfairly, although I don't think you'll get far; they tend to be rather good at using their powers.
Back onto the topic:
You still need to buy Windos ($250 last time I checked) to do this. Companies aren't going to count on people, er, borrowing, Windows from somewhere to do this. If you want to play a $50 game, will you buy a $250 security hole to go with it? Few companies, I suspect, will assume that their consumers will want to. And if in fact they do... that's a lot of copies of Windows that would end up being installed. A few million for the Sims... WoW.... WCIII... etc. Would a few million Mac users really buy Windows? I wouldn't. Make the game for my Mac, please! I choose to use it for a reason, y'know, and it isn't because it looks prettier (although it helps).
You aren't going to get anywhere. You're taking up thread space. I'd express a personal opinion on this, but I don't want to get involved. So, instead, I've asked the mods to wipe out most of the last page or so.
And just so you know, yac_moda the mods can block entire subnets. It is against the Forum Rules to have more than one account, even if one is banned. Email the mods if you think you've been banned unfairly, although I don't think you'll get far; they tend to be rather good at using their powers.
Back onto the topic:
You still need to buy Windos ($250 last time I checked) to do this. Companies aren't going to count on people, er, borrowing, Windows from somewhere to do this. If you want to play a $50 game, will you buy a $250 security hole to go with it? Few companies, I suspect, will assume that their consumers will want to. And if in fact they do... that's a lot of copies of Windows that would end up being installed. A few million for the Sims... WoW.... WCIII... etc. Would a few million Mac users really buy Windows? I wouldn't. Make the game for my Mac, please! I choose to use it for a reason, y'know, and it isn't because it looks prettier (although it helps).
osx for PC
and what about that :
http://www.osx86project.org/
how many layers to stop osx running on PC ?
and what about that :
http://www.osx86project.org/
how many layers to stop osx running on PC ?
Trackpad and BT keyboard
Windows does not understand my two finger scrolling, and cant pick up my BT keyboard, which sucks. But it is very fast and fluent. MBP 2.0 w/ 2gb ram
Windows does not understand my two finger scrolling, and cant pick up my BT keyboard, which sucks. But it is very fast and fluent. MBP 2.0 w/ 2gb ram
New Intel iMac firmware causes problems with AHT
After sucessfully applying the new firmware on my Intel iMac, I ran Apple Hardware Test to check if everything's okay. AHT loaded and ran without a glitch. But when I clicked on "shut down", AHT hang and I had to force the iMac to power off. So I ran AHT again, with the same result. (I didn' t try "restart" though). So could it be the AHT is somewaht incompatible with the new firmware?
After sucessfully applying the new firmware on my Intel iMac, I ran Apple Hardware Test to check if everything's okay. AHT loaded and ran without a glitch. But when I clicked on "shut down", AHT hang and I had to force the iMac to power off. So I ran AHT again, with the same result. (I didn' t try "restart" though). So could it be the AHT is somewaht incompatible with the new firmware?