rlwimi said:
Sorry if I'm feeding a troll but WHY do people come in here and say stuff like that? I mean jeez...Go get an XPLife..
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Intel Mac mini at MacWorld San Francisco in January?
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Sorry if I'm feeding a troll but WHY do people come in here and say stuff like that? I mean jeez...Go get an XPLife..
Peace said:
I can't see this happening... the people who buy Mac Minis have already chosen the least powerful Mac available, and the lowest margin product. If the current gradual update cycle on the minis keeps going they'll keep selling regardless of who made the CPU.
Portables on the other hand are totally different. Powerbooks have gone from market leaders to way behind - HD displays on the last update was about 2 years behind dell! The portables have the most to gain from going to Intel, so that's sure to be Apple's priority.
922 said:
Scenario 2:
Imagine this. Apple announces new Powerbooks and Mac minis at Macworld: To ship as soon as possible.
The Developer community, in unison, goes "HOLY S***!!!!!" and then "Oh Well SC**W Apple anyway!".
Let the teeny weeny tiny .01 % market share of OS X x86 users go without native versions. If they really want our software they can either run it in Rosetta , reboot into XP and buy XP native versions of our software , or run Wine for OSX and run XP native versions of our software. They'll have to do it for games anyway, so why not pro software.
This OS X to x86 transition is great! Now we only have to develop for Windows x86 native versions of our software and the mac users can use it too. No more creating mac only software. Woohoo!
digitalbiker said:Scenario 2:
Imagine this. Apple announces new Powerbooks and Mac minis at Macworld: To ship as soon as possible.
The Developer community, in unison, goes "HOLY S***!!!!!" and then "Oh Well SC**W Apple anyway!".
Let the teeny weeny tiny .01 % market share of OS X x86 users go without native versions. If they really want our software they can either run it in Rosetta , reboot into XP and buy XP native versions of our software , or run Wine for OSX and run XP native versions of our software. They'll have to do it for games anyway, so why not pro software.
This OS X to x86 transition is great! Now we only have to develop for Windows x86 native versions of our software and the mac users can use it too. No more creating mac only software. Woohoo!
That scenerio will never happen.There's WAY too much interest in OSX on Intel.From both consumer and developer.
liketom said:exactly, look what they did with the iPod Mini ... redesigned it to the iPod Nano -
Mac Mini could be re done altogether
Mac Nano
On a more serious note, my PPC mac mini is good for me.. I just didn't want to take chances with a first gen mactel especially with the shady Apple support here... If it was HP/Dell, I'd have bought it
But WTH.. whoz gonna own a PC after owning a Mac!PowerBooks should be due for Intel first.... The last "update" wasn't even really an update... Just a few "enhancments" to hold us over until the switch.
We shall see come January.
I'd also love to see Fox, NBC, & CBS to jump on the iTunes Video wagon.
We shall see come January.
I'd also love to see Fox, NBC, & CBS to jump on the iTunes Video wagon.
rlwimi said:
Wow and I thought most people were past stage 2...... Oh well. Some people are just slooooooooower then others.
If this actually happens this early... wow. Go Apple! If not, then that's okay. I can always wait since I am getting a Power Mac Quad in a couple months. As for starting out with the Mac mini, that's a very smart move. I guess they're making the mini their "public test subject." This will definitely be interesting. Damnit, now I can't wait for MacWorld even more!
Go Apple! If not, then that's okay. I can always wait since I am getting a Power Mac Quad in a couple months. As for starting out with the Mac mini, that's a very smart move. I guess they're making the mini their "public test subject." This will definitely be interesting. Damnit, now I can't wait for MacWorld even more! 
p0intblank said:If this actually happens this early... wow.
It seems to me that whatever happen with the Mini should not effect your plans. I mean even though PPC is old school and everyone wants Intel power because it is supposed to be superior, that Quad should still be faster. One would think anyhow.
Always wanted a Mac mini
I always wanted a Mac mini but in comparison to an iMac G5 an iMac won hands down in terms of value. The G4 in the Mac mini killed it from the begining because when you bought everything else (monitor et al) it became too expensive (well... if you bought Apple only accessories). Now the Mac mini has something extremely different to offer if this rumor is true. A way to test the new Mac-tels at a cheap price Only time and my pending credit card application assessment will tell
I only hope when MacWorld comes around (and we all know iLife '06 is coming!!!) they include Front Row and PhotoBooth for everyone else! Also... Book Printing in iPhoto & Aprature would be nice if it could be done in Australia... !
- Den
I always wanted a Mac mini but in comparison to an iMac G5 an iMac won hands down in terms of value. The G4 in the Mac mini killed it from the begining because when you bought everything else (monitor et al) it became too expensive (well... if you bought Apple only accessories). Now the Mac mini has something extremely different to offer if this rumor is true. A way to test the new Mac-tels at a cheap price
Only time and my pending credit card application assessment will tell I only hope when MacWorld comes around (and we all know iLife '06 is coming!!!) they include Front Row and PhotoBooth for everyone else! Also... Book Printing in iPhoto & Aprature would be nice if it could be done in Australia... !
- Den
Abercrombieboy said:
Without a doubt, the Quad will still own the Mac mini when it comes to performance. Oddly, though, I would still love to own a mini... you know, just to have one. This transition to Intel might just make me finally buy one to use as a HTPC.
Not so great intel mac mini
I predict the first mac/intel mini will have a slightly faster Pentium M processor, intel embedded graphics and networking. It will be faster with general applications, but applications that take advantage of Altivec will still run faster on a G4/5. The big new feature will be a lower price.
I predict the first mac/intel mini will have a slightly faster Pentium M processor, intel embedded graphics and networking. It will be faster with general applications, but applications that take advantage of Altivec will still run faster on a G4/5. The big new feature will be a lower price.
vs. a quad Intel ??
For the year or so until that happens, however, the quad core PPC970MP should be faster than any of the Yonah/Merom dual-core setups...
When the PM goes Intel, quad Xeon is quite possible. (The quad Xeon (or whatever the marketing name for the new generation lower power dual-core server chips are called) will definitely be available - I say "possible" because Apple hasn't hinted about what configurations they'll actually use.)Abercrombieboy said:
For the year or so until that happens, however, the quad core PPC970MP should be faster than any of the Yonah/Merom dual-core setups...
Disrupt at the High End
The powerusers are most able to deal with the stuff that can and will go wrong in a major change like this. Change the high end first.
Now, that said, a January intel macmini would be interesting and I might even buy one.
I think a more likely early intel switch would be in the PowerBook which long ago ran up against the wall of what PowerPC chips IBM and Apple can squish into that package. A Pentium M switch might be a quick way to break out of that. And it's for the power users, who buy the high end equipment, who know what they're doing and can deal with any snafu.
And the "Power" in "PowerBook" probably won't go away, since they had that name back in 68000 days with the PowerBook 100. PowerMac might go back to just plain Mac though...
The powerusers are most able to deal with the stuff that can and will go wrong in a major change like this. Change the high end first.
Now, that said, a January intel macmini would be interesting and I might even buy one.
I think a more likely early intel switch would be in the PowerBook which long ago ran up against the wall of what PowerPC chips IBM and Apple can squish into that package. A Pentium M switch might be a quick way to break out of that. And it's for the power users, who buy the high end equipment, who know what they're doing and can deal with any snafu.
And the "Power" in "PowerBook" probably won't go away, since they had that name back in 68000 days with the PowerBook 100. PowerMac might go back to just plain Mac though...
arkmannj said:I used to squirm at the thought of an intel inside sticker,
but I wouldn't care if they put it on the back by the ports or something.
no...no...no......
My concern with a Pentium M mac mini is that it will underwhelm the press and negatively influence consumers' perceptions of the first Intel-based mac.
Just imagine, a low-end Pentium M based Mac mini is going to be compared against faster celeron or P4 desktops in similar price ranges. The Mac mini is going to look like it has a slow processor for the price. The Pentium M they choose might not be a much faster chip than the current G4 is. Then we have Rosetta slowing it down as well. So it might not be much faster than a previous generation Mac, or it might even be slower
Can you imagine the press reaction when Apple releases its first intel-based computer and things are SLOWER than the previous generation? People would pile on to say how overpriced Apple is compared to other PC makers that use similar chips.
The only hope I see is that the Mac mini performs at par with the current G4 machine on common tasks and is less expensive. A price drop would help difuse any negative press about the lack of performance gains.
Just imagine, a low-end Pentium M based Mac mini is going to be compared against faster celeron or P4 desktops in similar price ranges. The Mac mini is going to look like it has a slow processor for the price. The Pentium M they choose might not be a much faster chip than the current G4 is. Then we have Rosetta slowing it down as well. So it might not be much faster than a previous generation Mac, or it might even be slower
Can you imagine the press reaction when Apple releases its first intel-based computer and things are SLOWER than the previous generation? People would pile on to say how overpriced Apple is compared to other PC makers that use similar chips.
The only hope I see is that the Mac mini performs at par with the current G4 machine on common tasks and is less expensive. A price drop would help difuse any negative press about the lack of performance gains.
It wouldn't be too difficult to put in a processor that is faster than the current G4 processor found in today's Mac Mini. But this is only the beginning of where performance gains can be found.
I'm pretty confident that an Intel Mac Mini would easily outperform the current PPC Mac Mini. If it doesn't, Apple have done something horribly wrong.
I'm pretty confident that an Intel Mac Mini would easily outperform the current PPC Mac Mini. If it doesn't, Apple have done something horribly wrong.
weldon said: