Core 2 (Merom) is a lot more then just x86-64 support. For one it has higher performance per clock then the Core (Yonah), stated to be about 20% greater. Also clock for clock it is more power efficient. Additionally it has a much improved SSE implementation (128b data pathway allow for 1 cycle instruction times) which will benefit Mac users since Apple does a lot of work using SSE on Intel and AltiVec on PowerPC. ...among other improvements.fastlane1588 said:
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Intel Quietly Ships 2.33 GHz Core Duo
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MacSA said:
I guess they are so small and might get lost easily inside the couch
Just like the rest of the remote controls.
Talking about the potential for a 'new' iSight:
New environmental laws in the EU. The eMac & Airport Express is off the store as well.
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Nice to see upgrades, no matter how small. I'll be dancing in the streets if a Merom MBP hits the stage at WWDC.
fastlane1588 said:
New environmental laws in the EU. The eMac & Airport Express is off the store as well.
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Nice to see upgrades, no matter how small. I'll be dancing in the streets if a Merom MBP hits the stage at WWDC.
WildCowboy said:
i remember when i got my first computer at less than 100MHz than we jumped up to 170 or something like that... i was like ((("holy CRAP this is fast!!!!!)))
Some advice on buying an iMac
Hey,
I'm new to the forum, but have been reading for a while. Maybe some of you who know a lot more about this can give me some advice.
I really want to replace my eMac 1.25 (I buy a new Mac every two years) with an Intel iMac, and it seems that an upgrade is just around the corner. But do you think it like the last speed bump of the iMac G5, which came in 10/05, only to be superceded by the Intel dual core two months later? I'm afraid I'll buy right after the bump, and then they'll stick the 64-bit Intel in the iMac after August.
Any advice? My eMac is fine for now, but I did have an iMac G5 at my last job and really want one at home now.
Feel free to email off the list.
Thanks,
BH
Hey,
I'm new to the forum, but have been reading for a while. Maybe some of you who know a lot more about this can give me some advice.
I really want to replace my eMac 1.25 (I buy a new Mac every two years) with an Intel iMac, and it seems that an upgrade is just around the corner. But do you think it like the last speed bump of the iMac G5, which came in 10/05, only to be superceded by the Intel dual core two months later? I'm afraid I'll buy right after the bump, and then they'll stick the 64-bit Intel in the iMac after August.
Any advice? My eMac is fine for now, but I did have an iMac G5 at my last job and really want one at home now.
Feel free to email off the list.
Thanks,
BH
MacSA said:
Because for $300 more you can get a Macbook with a higher processor speed, keyboard, "mouse", battery, and display included.
I guess if you're looking for a very cheap system, the Core Solo mini could be more appropriate, but it's not that competitive at the price point unless you either REALLY want a mac, or REALLY want the small form factor.
I Vote Negative Because All This Will Do Is Create Confusion
I think that Merom is so close to coming out @ 2.33 GHz to begin with at its top that this will only create confusion if Apple adopts it. I can see they should put it in whatever they sell between now and when they can get the 2.33 GHz Meroms. But it is still going to be a point of confusion among those less attentive than we are.
I think that Merom is so close to coming out @ 2.33 GHz to begin with at its top that this will only create confusion if Apple adopts it. I can see they should put it in whatever they sell between now and when they can get the 2.33 GHz Meroms. But it is still going to be a point of confusion among those less attentive than we are.
dextertangocci said:
Wow, your maths is horrid.
I don't see why Apple would hold out and not get these into their systems. They probably get the 2.16 Ghz now for cheaper or something, and these are probably priced at where the 2 and 2.16 GHz cpus were 2 months ago.
I can see Apple putting the Core 2 Duo initially in their line up as an upgrade, eventually Intel will phase the Core Duos out for the newer faster Core 2 Duo.
I wont expect an Apple with a Core 2 Duo for at least 6 months even then I'm guessing it will have to be an option upgrade because of the cost on consumers.
Either way I want a Mac with a Core 2 Duo
I wont expect an Apple with a Core 2 Duo for at least 6 months even then I'm guessing it will have to be an option upgrade because of the cost on consumers.
Either way I want a Mac with a Core 2 Duo
I'm confused I thought Yonah was 64 Bit. I thought the new Xenon were becoming 64 bit, then Yonah in July (which according to now is early) which is also supposed to be 64 Bit, and then Merom to come in August which also is supposed to be 64 Bit.
So is Yonah not the new Core Duo 2 as I thought it was?
So is Yonah not the new Core Duo 2 as I thought it was?
poppe said:
Yonah is the current Core Duo.
Woodcrest (the new Xeon) is the server chip just released, Conroe is the desktop version of Core 2 Duo arriving in July and Merom is the notebook version of Core 2 Duo arriving in August.
Get used to it, MM - this isn't That 70's Show
Two months ago I bought an XXX YYYY system, at the top speed of Z GHz.
I need another one today, and the web store shows the XXX YYYY at Z GHz for $200 less than I paid before, but a system a Z+167MHz for the same price.
It's no big deal - it's the same system, with a somewhat faster CPU.
A MacBook Amateur at 2.0GHz isn't a different machine than a Mac Book Amateur at 2.16 GHz - it's just slightly slower.
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Apple has to choose between confusing the old Apple fans who expect a major SteveNote for each trivial system change, and attracting the switchers who notice that everyone but Apple is using the newer, faster part.
And it DOES NOT MATTER than Merom is two months away - you don't market stuff at a premium price if it's using last month's chips.
In the Intel world, minor speed bumps are a constant thing - and it's no big deal.Multimedia said:
Two months ago I bought an XXX YYYY system, at the top speed of Z GHz.
I need another one today, and the web store shows the XXX YYYY at Z GHz for $200 less than I paid before, but a system a Z+167MHz for the same price.
It's no big deal - it's the same system, with a somewhat faster CPU.
A MacBook Amateur at 2.0GHz isn't a different machine than a Mac Book Amateur at 2.16 GHz - it's just slightly slower.
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Apple has to choose between confusing the old Apple fans who expect a major SteveNote for each trivial system change, and attracting the switchers who notice that everyone but Apple is using the newer, faster part.
And it DOES NOT MATTER than Merom is two months away - you don't market stuff at a premium price if it's using last month's chips.
"a" Woodcrest doesn't make a lot of sense
A single dual-core Conroe will give roughly the same performance as a dual-core Woodie, for a lot less money.
Since Conroe won't do dual-socket (quad-core), you'll see Woodies in the high end Mac Pro, for sure.
Conroe, of course, will be featured in the new form-factor Mini-Tower/Pizza-Box Dual-Core 64-bit Conroe systems.
"a Woodcrest" - as in "one Woodcrest" - doesn't make a lot of sense. The dual-socket capable Woodies are more expensive, and the motherboard support chipsets are more expensive.SPUY767 said:
A single dual-core Conroe will give roughly the same performance as a dual-core Woodie, for a lot less money.
Since Conroe won't do dual-socket (quad-core), you'll see Woodies in the high end Mac Pro, for sure.
Conroe, of course, will be featured in the new form-factor Mini-Tower/Pizza-Box Dual-Core 64-bit Conroe systems.
thogs_cave said:
You want big numbers, go out, pick yourself up a Pentium D 805, same architecture as the old Pentium Extreme Editions. Buy a decent motherboard, probably ASUS as their OC utils are light years ahead. Find a reasonably priced phase-change cooling system. There. You've got a dual core, 64-bit system running at 3.8-4 GHz on the Cheap for about 400 bucks if you don't throw in a buffalo testicles GPU.
i agree, but it wont happen
it would for sure... but it wont happen. despite the reasonable high price for imacs, they are still consumer desktops. adding too much speed changes that. plus, the specs on the imac are already pretty good for a consumer desktop. the graphics card is better than that of previous macs.
buffalo said:
it would for sure... but it wont happen. despite the reasonable high price for imacs, they are still consumer desktops. adding too much speed changes that. plus, the specs on the imac are already pretty good for a consumer desktop. the graphics card is better than that of previous macs.
macs are already burning up...
maybe im crazy, but wouldnt a cpu boost mean more heat, which has been the biggest problem with the new macs? why add to an already big problem?
these are already very fast computers. apple cant use any stronger coreduos(yonahs) or their computers will burn to ash. My brother's macbook pro has hit its limit. those 2.16 ghz coreduos pack a lot of heat.
maybe im crazy, but wouldnt a cpu boost mean more heat, which has been the biggest problem with the new macs? why add to an already big problem?
these are already very fast computers. apple cant use any stronger coreduos(yonahs) or their computers will burn to ash. My brother's macbook pro has hit its limit. those 2.16 ghz coreduos pack a lot of heat.
Apple will definitely end up using these chips, maybe not in the MBP, but maybe in the iMac and certainly in the MacBook. What Apple will release at or around WWDC will be interesting, because it's traditionally been a "Pro" event, but Apple has taken to breaking that tradition in recent years. One would think the MBP and the Mac Pro would be the main attractions at WWDC, but Apple is quick to update what has become their "flagship" of sorts, the iMac, so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets some attention even though it's considered a "Consumer" level machine.
For me, I've never considered buying a Yonah anyway, I've been holding out for Merom since the switch. My G4 is humming along nicely.
For me, I've never considered buying a Yonah anyway, I've been holding out for Merom since the switch. My G4 is humming along nicely.
