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Intel Restates Support for Apple During Transition to Apple Silicon
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Correct... but if PC manufactures start using AMD instead of Intel... that's still x86
The topic was about the industry leaving x86
Why you say this? It was Intel that pretty much dragged Apple out the muck, with the IBM chipset failure. Not saying Apple owes Intel anything, but "deservedly so" makes no sense?
Do you have any reasoning behind this?
why go through the hassle if you have Arm and can ditch both altogether, wouldn't make sense.
with Arm, the times of "less then mediocre" Graphics processing power on lower end Devices are over anyway.
and more Battery life is also guaranteed Arm.
No they don't. ARM CPUs will never be as powerful as x86. That's just a plain fact and always will be. Apple is literally dropping support for all the people who used their hardware for development. Let's see that Ax CPU compete with a high end 16 core/32 thread x86 CPU when it comes to 3D modeling or 8k video editing. These new Macs will be good for browsing and light duty tasks.
There's a much much bigger threat for Intel and AMD.
In three years time, there will be a few million Macs with ARM chips running MacOS.
At the same time, there will be a few hundred million iPhones and iPads that are capable of running MacOS, and therefore capable of running a desktop or laptop OS. Most of them running Windows on a laptop or desktop. With a little bit of additional hardware and marketing, the users of these hundreds of millions of phones could be convinced that their next laptop or desktop is their iPhone with very cheap additional hardware.
That would be a real threat to Intel and AMD; they would be restricted purely to high end hardware.
In three years time, there will be a few million Macs with ARM chips running MacOS.
At the same time, there will be a few hundred million iPhones and iPads that are capable of running MacOS, and therefore capable of running a desktop or laptop OS. Most of them running Windows on a laptop or desktop. With a little bit of additional hardware and marketing, the users of these hundreds of millions of phones could be convinced that their next laptop or desktop is their iPhone with very cheap additional hardware.
That would be a real threat to Intel and AMD; they would be restricted purely to high end hardware.
ARM CPUs today are more powerful core for core than x86 today. Your "high end 16 core 32 thread CPU" is in practice a 16 thread CPU because the 16 hyper threads give very little performance at the cost of huge vulnerabilities, and it will be beaten by an ARM CPU with 12 fast cores.
No, Apple is saying that to their customers. No ARM CPU will ever compete with x86. Apple has next to zero experience in designing CPUs compared to Intel and AMD.
Obviously pointless if they planned moving to ARM.
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Really? What world are you living in? All the iPhone / iPad CPUs in the last ten years are fully designed by Apple. And do you think Apple would have a problem hiring away all good AMD CPU designers (if that was of any value to them).
Was really happy that Johny Srouji got so much time during the Keynote. His team has accomplished so much. Also love that the guy stood up and said "NO" to open seating in the new campus, and got his team its own building (may have been the plan anyway, but let's credit him here).
I know you're just being funny but this is a completely different situation. Apple has gone through a transition like this before and has been making their own processors for years. That's completely different from developing a new product (i.e., Apple did not have a charging mat before).
“Apple doesn’t have to believe in Chip Jesus. Chip Jesus believes in Apple.”
AKA the vast majority of Apple's user base.
A few superfluous UI changes and memojis is all it takes to get them to buy shiny new Macs over and over.
You have to remember that these will be new ARM chips that use the internal components (power cores, high efficiency cores, etc) on a per system basis. That is, the SKU for the iMac ARM chip will be different than the SKU for the MBP ARM chip. What we see today is totally not what these newer ARM chip will be. Don't get confused.
Buy a MacBook when you need one. And when you need one, buy the one that is available, and that meets your requirements and has the best value for money.
What vulnerabilities are you talking about? ARM is good at certain things but it can't compete with x86. It never will because it's architecture isn't designed to. Let's see Apple release a Mac Pro using an ARM CPU that can beat a Threadripper PC.
Well, those companies really haven't got any freewill isn't it?
They will launch whatever Microsoft builds Windows on. Still ARM off the shelf offerings aren't that great and Microsoft doesn't seem to move that decisively with its Windows ARM.
Chips today are made up from building blocks. You don't design monster chips so much as connect building blocks together like lego. Fab a test run can be real quick nowadays.
the A12Z is competitive right now with x86, and thats a passively cooled Mobile Chip designed to run efficient on Battery Power.
Microsoft might decide to get into the desktop / laptop business with an ARM design. On the other hand, they don't have Apple's ARM chips which are way ahead of others. And Microsoft is making a lot more money in other areas, so it might be unnecessary bother for them.
Next to zero? I think the A4 - A13 speak otherwise. Sure, intel is in the business much longer, but clearly intel is facing issues with their tick-tock-tock-tock cycle and intel doesn't seem to be serious in GPU (while Apple is doubling down on GPU on the Ax chip).
Some of the most powerful processors in the world are RISC processors (ie, IBM's Power9), and what else is a RISC processor? ARM-based processors such as Apple's A-series.
There's no proof that says ARM will never be as performant as x86. Yes, most of the current widespread ARM implementations have been for mobile, but that doesn't preclude Apple from giving them more cores, more voltage, and active cooling. There are ARM-based servers in data centers getting deployed, that wouldn't happen if the performance just wasn't there.
Another reality, AMD came from way from behind on x86 and is now rivaling Intel's performance metrics, especially in performance per watt. Intel is not insurmountable, their process tech has been stagnant for awhile, and with enough innovation and funding, anything is possible.
We should be happy and hope that Intel is going to be put to the coals. Competition helps everyone.
There's no proof that says ARM will never be as performant as x86. Yes, most of the current widespread ARM implementations have been for mobile, but that doesn't preclude Apple from giving them more cores, more voltage, and active cooling. There are ARM-based servers in data centers getting deployed, that wouldn't happen if the performance just wasn't there.
Another reality, AMD came from way from behind on x86 and is now rivaling Intel's performance metrics, especially in performance per watt. Intel is not insurmountable, their process tech has been stagnant for awhile, and with enough innovation and funding, anything is possible.
We should be happy and hope that Intel is going to be put to the coals. Competition helps everyone.
Most Mac users wouldn’t know the difference between running an Intel or ARM machine. They shouldn’t worry about buying an Intel Mac.
Apple is already taking trade-ins so they don't want you using the current machines anymore. That should tell you something.