and who is going to buy that arm-based laptop?
and in a reality, apple really doesnt compete with anyone.
Last edited:
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Intel Reveals New 10th-Gen Core Processors Suitable for MacBook Air and Base 13-Inch MacBook Pro
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
and who is going to buy that arm-based laptop?
and in a reality, apple really doesnt compete with anyone.
I don't understand how AMD not making better processors makes it the fault of Intel. Apple not making better processors is the reason their processors are behind.
Similar set of folks that are buying Lenovo , Samsung , ASUS , and HP ones.
https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/mobile-computing/laptops
And the 8cx ones due out the later in 2019
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1442...5g-laptop-a-lenovo-with-qualcomms-8cx-and-x55
Similarly a C8x is probably on track in several months into the future
https://9to5google.com/2019/06/28/google-second-snapdragon-chromebook-trogdor/
( PC vendors will sell both Windows and ChromeOS variants of same baseline..... just like several previous iterations of designs. )
At one point Apple ran a whole ad campaign that was themed "Mac vs PC". The do complete. They don't often let the competition completely dominate the feature list ('more' ports , 'better' Y than system X's ) or get into a "monkey see , monkey do" completely match the features checkboxes contest. Or exactly matching on price war competitions. Are certainly not trying to make everything for everybody ( that isn't a competition at all they even want to remotely engage in. )
But Apple knows they have some general bounds they need to be competitive in the subset of systems they do.
One of the areas that Apple tries repeatedly tried to deliver in is to the "princess and the pea" laptop class with lightest, thinnest Mac laptop but also one of the longest battery life. The MacBook didn't quite work, but they will probably "re-tool" and come back a third time with something in that space. ( The MacBook Air is now in the "affordable" Mac laptop space more so than thinnest. )
Thunderbolt is not "Just" external PCI-e. Wouldn't need a different data transmission protocol if it was just one thing.
Thunderbolt is primarily about transporting a mix of stuff in two directions. It has edge case uses outside of that zone but that is what it is best at.
AMD is willing. It just isn't as high a priority for them, so it is a matter of timing Given the margins are much thinner and their financial book position over the last 3-4 years and current debt level they are probably right in their ordering. And the lower down on the Mac Laptop spectrum you go Apple has their own "iPad Pro" solution they can probably throw into the mix. AMD trying to displace Apple in Apple products where Apple has traction isn't a 'battle' AMD should be looking to fit. They do't have that much excess R&D budget to burn. AMD is already engaged against two ore 'deep pocketed' competitors ( Intel and Nvidia ), they need no fight with a third with an even bigger 'war chest'.
By mid-late 2020 they could have something decent for the top end laptop space. That is where Apple is much weaker. If Intel has blown more deadlines by then Apple may be sufficiently pissed off to jump ship. 'When' Apple wants to switch is a big factor too.
For the 'small' die, laptop chips Intel's 10nm is going to be a bigger stopgap than their 14nm will be in the desktop and up space. In other words, Intel is weaker in the latter so that is where AMD is putting most of their weight. It isn't that AMD doesn't want to do laptop chips. It just doesn't make sense for them to go first there on each new generation for the next several cycles.
Exactly! I think that ultimately, we’ll look back to the Mac using industry standard intel chips as an anomaly in its life.
I suspect that the Mac will still be around in 2030 in some shape or form.
So for 45 years or so, only around 15 of those will the Mac have used non specialised processors.
The Mac using A series chips will really be a return to what makes a Mac, a Mac.
I hope they are quick with a retina, silent, LPDDR4 machine using these CPUs.
My Macbook Air 2013 is still going strong and I told myself to wait until I get these specs.
I completely removed all VM's from this machine as it was to CPU intensive and now run Visual Studio Code and Azure Data Studio (~SSMS) for Mac. So no need for VMs or PCs anymore. Just want a better Air or Macbook using Ice Lake to do all my dev work. I should be cheering Microsoft, actually, for these great new tools that can be run on multiple platforms! Thanks!
My Macbook Air 2013 is still going strong and I told myself to wait until I get these specs.
I completely removed all VM's from this machine as it was to CPU intensive and now run Visual Studio Code and Azure Data Studio (~SSMS) for Mac. So no need for VMs or PCs anymore. Just want a better Air or Macbook using Ice Lake to do all my dev work. I should be cheering Microsoft, actually, for these great new tools that can be run on multiple platforms! Thanks!
The reduced multicore max clock speed, as our macs are most often utilizing more than one core under load.
Woah there buddy! I think we need to clarify a few things....
Apple used pre x86 chips prior to getting in bed with Power (Motorola and IBM) Jobs was not around during that transition, yet prior did use Intel chips unless I’m mistaken.
Intel has been mad trying to court Apple since long before Apple G3 burned their “bunny” lol. Jokes aside yes Intel has been trying to court Apple since the iMac yet never could.
IBM made a fool of Apple and Jobs after their glory of the PowerMac G5 - a glorious feet which with OSX panther launched THE fastest desktop in the world for almost 11 mths and ticked off the competition having to finally come out with one faster and immediately pushing Apple to remove that marketing lol. Still Apple was first with 64bit OS and with 32-bit apps running natively (for consumers; Opteron was first to 64bit in servers yet was junk vs Power CPUs back then).
Something happened after the first year of Power G5 where IBM seems to never care pushing again for desktop or even mobile cpus.
Apple has NO CHOICE but to go with Intel and since NeXT OS was ported to RISC and CISC cpus mostly Intel the rest was history.
Apple has never hated on Intel just loved to crush them in performance, the anti Apple was IBM little did many fans know they where partners with motorla and Apple lol.
I’d love to see AMD cpus in Macs the latest revisions but we’ll see if the future of Apple OS in laptops and desktops is fully mobile as in The Navigator which is body n soul living in iPad Pro with Siri.
Not sure what this is trying to say, but prior to Power, Apple used Motorola chips, and did not use Intel chips.
No problem. I am a CPU groupie, having been a CPU designer myself, and not everyone knows the difference between a 6502, 68020, Z80, and 8086.
Is the ARM MacBook ever coming though? It seems like it's been thrown around for 3+ years now, haven't heard anything substantial about it being a reality.
It's coming.
The most recent step happened at WWDC, when Apple revealed new technologies to allow iOS developers to target Macs. Stay tuned to next year's WWDC.
True... that number looks low. But don't forget the metric "Instructions Per Clock"
My understanding of the theory is... even though it's only going at 700MHz... it's actually doing more work per cycle than an older processor that is clocked higher. In other words... you shouldn't just look at the MHz number.
Apparently Intel finally has some decent IPC gains in this generation.
And remember... that's just the base clock. It boosts to 3.5GHz single-core and 3.2GHz all-core.
Though we should probably wait for benchmarks and real-world tests before we freak out about it...
Yep guys, I was making a funny. I mean, you have to admit that it's pretty weird to see 700MHz in 2019. Takes me back to my youth and the race to 1GHz. Good times.
Yes, though all have fewer processor cores than even i7s in the current mid range MBPs. So far there is no i9 variant. Waiting for Intel to release usable gen 9 mobile chips in the 45W TDP range currently used in MBPs.
Earlier versions of the MBP line had to power hungry support spinning drives. Too, TDP is a peak figure of merit. Current processors are designed for processing demand variation so average demand now is much lower than TDP.