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why are so many people hating on intel here? if they pull off something good, great. if not, then boo. you guys in here talking about poor battery life performance like that's the only thing that matters. the last time i checked, m1 max has awful 3D performance. you also gotta consider that when you're using computers, you're not constantly pushing your computer to the limits. you gotta stop looking at worst case scenarios and start looking at real world scenarios.
The M1 Max has extremely fast 3D performance. Nearly the same as an Nvidia 3080. It does that while still sipping power.
 
So a 14 core processor running at 5 GHz and burning through 115 watts of power is faster than a processor running at 3 GHz burning 60 watts? I am shocked I am telling you.
The CPU side of the M1 Max hits 30 watts at the upper limit. Looks like Intel put the processors in the correct wattage range. It is just the perf-per-watt positioning that doesn’t really make any sense. Would be nice to see someone repeat this test with real numbers.
 
So as long as you have a great cooling system and don't care about horrible battery life, it's a great processor. But for those of us working on a laptop that needs to run for more than an hour, and need to make sure we don't get second degree burns from it; it doesn't sound like it'll be that great of a processor. But I guess we'll have to wait for it to actually come out so we can see the real world results.
You don’t get burns from a plastic body. That’s why all Windows laptops are plastic.
 
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By which you mean Access? If you need to make regular use of Windows apps, you're not going to be using Boot Camp as it's a pain to restart operating systems when you have loads of windows open. People needing Windows only apps are either going to be running them in a virtual machine or are just going to have separate Windows computer. That will remain the way moving forward. Virtual machines running Windows Arm (e.g. Parallels) with Microsoft's x86 emulation may be slow but it's going to be more than enough for occasional uses. If you need more, you're going to be using a Windows computer anyway. Being stuck with slower, hotter, less performant bits of Intel hardware was not worth it for the occasional use of Boot Camp by what is likely less than a thousandth of their user base.
It’s not slow. It’s fast as hell.
 
From my vantage point Intel is comparing a complete multi chip hybrid system architecture with just one element of a federated architecture containing unified memory, just the CPU. The two aren’t comparable. It’s apples and flying monkeys.

Also, Intel has only announced a processor. Apple has been delivering completed laptop and desktop systems for over a year.
 
I mean the speed is good and all, but PC laptops tend to not be able to run on full power on battery mode, so not sure how much of the performance is actually going to reflect in real world testing, especially given how power hungry this thing is.
 
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I so DON’T miss my constant fan blowing in my Macbook Pro 15 compared the quiet, cool, and faster M1 MacBook Pro.
I don't think I've ever heard the fan on my 14" M1Pro. So I started up "iStats X" and sure enough the fan is on at about 1350 rpm and is totally silent to my ears.
 
The problem with Intel is they are primarily focused on performance but power draw and heat production take a back seat. I beleive Apple has the correct formula combining performance with power consumption which also has the benefit of producing less heat. In addition if the PC manufactures and computer builders do not have proper cooling I imagine that Intel processor is going to thermal throttle pretty quickly.
 
While I think it's unlikely, it would crack me up to no end if Intel ends up re-taking the power/performance lead over Apple at some point in the next few years. Just to enjoy seeing all the Apple fanboys scratching their heads :)
Hey it could happen but why not let the Apple Fan boys have their fun?
I've been using Macs for 30 years and I don't remember ever having a Mac that
would go head to head with a PC performance and dollar wise.
And if Intel does regain the lead, it won't' make a difference to people like me anyway,
I'll keep using Macs.
It is fun to watch though!
 
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One thing I find interesting: this wasn't the only time at CES that Intel mentioned Apple: they want to make iPhones and Apple Watches more compatible with Intel EVO PCs and are working with "partners, including Apple, to make that happen" (from the article):
https://www.engadget.com/intel-evo-3rd-edition-foldable-pc-iphone-181039141.html

I find it hard to believe that Apple is on board with this initiative. I don't think Apple wants you buying EVO laptops.
 
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Interesting. Considering that Intel powered Macbooks for a decade or so, I guess everything Macbook-related prior to 2020 was crap, huh?
Compared to my new M1 Pro MBP, more-or-less.

My 2016 15" MBP was fine. I could go for perhaps 2-3 hours/charge at normal workload, often spooling up the fan. Computationally intensive things would drain the battery in as little as 45 minutes. My 16" M1 Pro goes 10 hours at normal load. I've yet to hear the fan, even when compressing video or routing a circuit board. This is the first laptop I feel I can take out of the house without a charger.
 
Don’t the M1 pro and max chip have similar single and multicore scores for CPU performance as the 14 month old M1? Were the gains made mostly on GPU performance? Apologies if I’m wrong.

That said it’s great that Intel are competing, otherwise Apple would honestly sell the same M1 chip for half a decade.
 
One thing I find interesting: this wasn't the only time at CES that Intel mentioned Apple: they want to make iPhones and Apple Watches more compatible with Intel EVO PCs and are working with "partners, including Apple, to make that happen" (from the article):
https://www.engadget.com/intel-evo-3rd-edition-foldable-pc-iphone-181039141.html

I find it hard to believe that Apple is on board with this initiative. I don't think Apple wants you buying EVO laptops.
I think Apple is more interested in selling iPhones than Macs, and iPhones would benefit if they work better with the dominant consumer computing platform. During the keynote Intel showed iMessages from an iPhone appearing on the Evo PC. I don't think that would be possible without Apple's cooperation.
 
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My fans never turn on loud enough to hear on my 16” even at full 100% load for 11 minutes.

Unless the i9 can do THAT, I don’t want it. I lived for years with an i7 that blasted the fans whenever it wasn’t idle. It was a good machine otherwise. Don’t want to return to that.
 
Kind of curious why they choose the M1 Pro Max to discuss CPU performance per watt instead of the M1 Pro, when all the Max does is add GPU cores... Surely they wouldn't want to use the power draw of the extra GPUs to make M1 Pro CPU performance per watt look worse than it actually is...
 
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