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Intel Says New Core i9 Processor for Laptops is Faster Than Apple's M1 Max Chip

the point most people are missing is that Intel and Apple are not really in competition. This really isn't even directed at Apple. this is directed at every current PC manufacturer that is considering making their own chips.

now I'm not fully aware of how strong the HPs and Dells and whoevers currently are in that regard, but money is money. If Intel was becoming a source of frustration for Apple you can bet other companies were/are frustrated as well.
 
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I’m not sure how Intel is able to keep customers happy, given they continue to over promise and under deliver. These announcements are always the same, then they either delay deliveries or don’t deliver or deliver chips that don’t do what they suggested. In part, this is why Apple got so much crap when they released the original M1 devices, because they made claims that sounded too good to be true. Of course with Apple, they delivered on time and the real world performance was at or above what they claimed.

I’m not saying Apple hasn’t made bad claims in the past, but Intel is just so bad at it, or maybe they’re so good at it because they can keep doing it and not loose too many customers.

And as an aside, which drives me bonkers about PC performance statistics in general, why do any of the PC laptop manufacturers even bother to make laptops that use chips that require constant wall power and can’t sufficiently cool their chips, so they run hot and loud? They should be producing computers that use remote place-able computing base stations that could be plugged in to a freezer or placed outdoors, and then have a separate screen and keyboard that could be used in your lap. This way people wouldn’t have to listen to the fans spinning and heat wouldn’t be an issue.
 
jmgregory1 said:
And as an aside, which drives me bonkers about PC performance statistics in general, why do any of the PC laptop manufacturers even bother to make laptops that use chips that require constant wall power and can’t sufficiently cool their chips, so they run hot and loud? They should be producing computers that use remote place-able computing base stations that could be plugged in to a freezer or placed outdoors, and then have a separate screen and keyboard that could be used in your lap. This way people wouldn’t have to listen to the fans spinning and heat wouldn’t be an issue.
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I can only think of the big gaming laptops. There is a market for that. And the well-designed ones are pretty good if you like that sort of thing. But for all I know they would ignore this chip for one of those since the gpu is vastly more important.
 
don't know what the fuss is about when it comes to mac and windows. most of you guys have more than 1 computer anyway. just buy a monster PC for home, gaming, 3D, and raw multicore performance. get an m1 regular/pro/max for mac and on the go usage.

there are programs that allow for remote usage, right? couldn't you just leave your PC on at home and if you need to run windows, remotely run your windows pc from home?
 
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Fake it until someone catches you! In order to cool down this i9 chip in laptop, you got to have larger size fans,case and ends up with shorter battery life.
 
jmgregory1 said:
And as an aside, which drives me bonkers about PC performance statistics in general, why do any of the PC laptop manufacturers even bother to make laptops that use chips that require constant wall power and can’t sufficiently cool their chips, so they run hot and loud? They should be producing computers that use remote place-able computing base stations that could be plugged in to a freezer or placed outdoors, and then have a separate screen and keyboard that could be used in your lap. This way people wouldn’t have to listen to the fans spinning and heat wouldn’t be an issue.
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This reminds me of the first "portable" computer my dad bought:

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dsut4392 said:
I get that not being able to use Boot camp or run Windows in a local VM is a limitation that you previously didn't have, and that's annoying.

But even for a niche user who buys a Mac laptop to run permanently in Boot camp, a few of these don't make much sense. Why would you be running IIS or SQL server on your laptop? And why would you run Access if you can run SQL Server? As for FoxPro...you're joking, right? Anyone who has need for ADSI or GPEdit or Orca can surely run them in an RDP session?

[FWIW, I work in a Windows corporate environment and use a Mac at home, but even when I'm in the office I do a lot of my work on RDP sessions on VMs, so using my Mac at home is no different]

The edge cases that don't have practical workarounds other than buying a non-Mac laptop must be a tiny, tiny proportion of power users.
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Came to say this. Also, they could spin up an azure instance in seconds to host these things with... uhm... reliability/resiliency.

The other things is that they could probably run GPedit or ADSI in parallels, if they really needed it. I assume that if they really use those things they can join whatever they want to the domain.

:rolleyes:
 
huge_apple_fangirl said:
Notice how they admit that M1 Max completely crushes their (currently shipping) last-gen i9. Incredible work by Apple.
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Also seems to imply a 50% generational improvement, which would be unheard of for Intel...

I suspect that's likely untrue for a broader metric than the narrow int n-copy they're quoting, which means this is largely BS, but if it is true then it means someone in Intel panicked and word went out: "pull all the levers!" which also says a lot.
 
BGPL said:
This little pissing match is going to be a huge benefit to the consumer. I think it's safe to say that Apple got Intel's attention. However, Intel clearly just said screw it on the power draw just to get the performance numbers. Most people don't pay attention to the power stuff, which is unfortunate, especially in the mobile market. Dial is down to 45 watts and I would guess it will underperform the M1 significantly.
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A lot of gamers still buy laptops to have semi-portable machines. They (obviously) don't every rely on the battery and use them plugged in and just want the fastest they can get while still having a machine that can easily be unplugged and lugged around.

Yes, the power draw is huge and the machines will be noisy. But there's certainly a market for what Intel can offer here even if it has no appeal to the average Apple user.
 
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why are so many people hating on intel here? if they pull off something good, great. if not, then boo. you guys in here talking about poor battery life performance like that's the only thing that matters. the last time i checked, m1 max has awful 3D performance. you also gotta consider that when you're using computers, you're not constantly pushing your computer to the limits. you gotta stop looking at worst case scenarios and start looking at real world scenarios.
 
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jmgregory1 said:
I’m not sure how Intel is able to keep customers happy, given they continue to over promise and under deliver. These announcements are always the same, then they either delay deliveries or don’t deliver or deliver chips that don’t do what they suggested.
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The customers don’t have a choice. Until the point where AMD can produce as many raw CPU’s as Intel can, AMD will sell well, but won’t have enough solutions for everyone… sooooooo, Intel.

jmgregory1 said:
And as an aside, which drives me bonkers about PC performance statistics in general, why do any of the PC laptop manufacturers even bother to make laptops that use chips that require constant wall power and can’t sufficiently cool their chips, so they run hot and loud?
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For this one, it’s likely because they ALL know that there’s at least ONE vendor that’s going to go that way with it and, if that just HAPPENS to be what customers clamor for this year, they all have to have a model in that market. It’s like back when Intel couldn’t ship high performance mobile parts. ALL the vendors knew that NOT shipping a new product was a no go from the start because they knew ONE of them were going to jam a desktop CPU/GPU and RAM in their system, call it new/better performance and get reviewer and customer attention. So, they all did it.
 
Performance per watt advantage doesn’t sound right. The i9 starts out at 30 watts on the CPU side. The M1 Max hits 30 watts on the CPU side at it’s peak performance. Maybe the M1 Max ran the benchmark using Rosetta 2? The M1 Max has huge cores and should easily beat the smaller Intel cores core-for-core. There is no way they would get anywhere near the M1 Max efficiency. Maybe Intel is counting the unified memory and storage controller in Apple’s budget but not it’s own? 6 extra cores with all 14 running at 5GHz might beat the M1 Max in benchmarks, but there is no way that is a fair comparison since it is probably hitting at least 100 Watts running full throttle. That would burn through a battery and your lap in no time.

Regardless looking at the whole SoC… did Intel also sneak in a 32 core GPU that is nearly as fast as a 3080? What about 32 machine learning cores? ProRes acceleration? What about crazy fast unified memory bandwidth and an insanely fast integrated SSD controller to go with it. Intel still has a long way to go…
 
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Remember, they ship with complimentary fire extinguishers, and will also replace the first 5 fuses that will blow.

But seriously, they will catch up some day. Bless them :)

Intel will rise again!!!
 
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alex00100 said:
Competition is always good. This will keeps the pressure on apple to keep delivering great results with M-chips in the coming years.
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My thoughts exactly. This is great news, even though it sounds pretty irrelevant for Mac users today. (The M1 Max will clearly have some optimizations for tasks the "Pro" Mac apps like FCP X do. Not to mention a big difference in power usage between them.)

Better CPUs all around is the way forward!
 
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