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"Lunar Lake" Intel Core Ultra200V 200W processors
"Lunar Lake" Intel Core Ultra
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Intel Says New Lunar Lake Chips Have 'Fastest Built-In GPU in the Industry'
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Always good to have competition. Will be interesting to see the actual performance.
4P and 4E cores, similar to Apple Silicon
LOL the M4 has 9 or 10 cores. My Mac Studio M2 Ultra CPU has 24 cores (16P 8E), 60 GPU cores, and 32 Neural Engines.
I recently tested performance of Intel's AI software OpenVINO on an Intel i9-13900H and my Mac Studio and the ARM64 version on Mac runs insanely fast, the Intel i9 is many many times slower.
Apple Silicon runs Intel's AI software than Intel chips.
LOL the M4 has 9 or 10 cores. My Mac Studio M2 Ultra CPU has 24 cores (16P 8E), 60 GPU cores, and 32 Neural Engines.
I recently tested performance of Intel's AI software OpenVINO on an Intel i9-13900H and my Mac Studio and the ARM64 version on Mac runs insanely fast, the Intel i9 is many many times slower.
Apple Silicon runs Intel's AI software than Intel chips.
Good for intel, competition in this space is a good thing.
Intel had all but given up trying before apple silicon came out .
Now as a result Qualcomm and intel have had to up their game, which wil in terms motivate apple silicon to also improve. Win win for us consumers
Intel had all but given up trying before apple silicon came out .
Now as a result Qualcomm and intel have had to up their game, which wil in terms motivate apple silicon to also improve. Win win for us consumers
They have to get this press release out before M4 lands on Macs.
You're comparing Apples and Oranges Lol,..2 very differen't operating systems. If you want sandboxed, go MBA.
Given that I am forced to use Windows for work, and they are unlikely to go for ARM anytime soon, I am looking forward to this. I don’t need speed (outside of fast enough for MS Office) and whether it matches my Macbook doesn’t really matter because it is not a choice I have. I just want it to last longer and be more silent than my current one. This seems like it will do that.
Whether it saves Intel as a company, is not really my concern.
I AM looking forward to how the community will explain Intel following in Apple’s footsteps and going to integrated, non-upgradable RAM though. Yesterday a maximum of 32 GB of non-upgradable RAM was a sign of Apple’s appaling greed, and a reason to buy Windows…
Whether it saves Intel as a company, is not really my concern.
I AM looking forward to how the community will explain Intel following in Apple’s footsteps and going to integrated, non-upgradable RAM though. Yesterday a maximum of 32 GB of non-upgradable RAM was a sign of Apple’s appaling greed, and a reason to buy Windows…
Alrighty then! I expect you to say that to every PC fan that comes here and says ”Macs are expensive. I can get a better and cheaper PC. Windows can do everything macOS can.”
You may just have solved an age-old debate that’s been bothering millions. We just have to say ”You're comparing Apples and Oranges Lol”.
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I think the i9 Raptor 13th and 14th gen chips will be the last powerhouse chips Intel builds.
True newer chips will be AI chips. But they wont match the power of the 6 GHZ Raptors.
Look at the new AMD 9000 series Chips released. No noticeable gains from the previous gen chips. running at lower clock speeds.
True newer chips will be AI chips. But they wont match the power of the 6 GHZ Raptors.
Look at the new AMD 9000 series Chips released. No noticeable gains from the previous gen chips. running at lower clock speeds.
They need to activate the use of external GPU boxes by thunderbolt 4 or 5 on all the new M4 Macs.
Trust me. they will sell like hotcakes if they just allowed the use of External GPU boxes.
Nvidia comes out with a Mac driver for the use of the 4090 or 5090 and BAM!! The creative Pro has the best Mac ever made.
If it's like my work laptop, I can turn the heating off in the winter on work days.
The Snapdragon X Elite 78-100 has in some cases reached roughly the multi-core performance of an M3 Pro, and surpassed that of an M4. In single-core, the above statement is questionable; it’s closer to an M2.
Its scores also seem to vary wildly. I imagine this is a function of Geekbench not reflecting the respective TDP configuration options. There are probably at least two tiers here, making the data not very useful:
| Average | 2223,92 | 10739,16 |
| Minimum | 1145 | 5367 |
| Maximum | 2468 | 14515 |
As for Intel:
| ST | MT | |
| Apple M2 4p4e | 2641 | 9802 |
| Apple M2 Pro 6p4e | 2655 | 12304 |
| Apple M2 Pro 8p4e | 2658 | 14464 |
| Apple M3 4p4e | 3050 | 11710 |
| Apple M3 Pro 6p6e | 3109 | 15286 |
| Apple M4 3p6e | 3658 | 13227 |
| Snapdragon X Elite 78-100 | 2223,92 | 10739,16 |
| Lunar Lake 7 256V (17W) | 2608 | 10506 |
| Lunar Lake 9 288V (30W) | 2790 | 11048 |
I would comment on these preliminary results as:
- at 17W, Lunar Lake competes with M2, outperforming it on MT by 8%
- the M3 is 17% / 11% ahead
- the M4 is 40% / 26% ahead
- at 30W, it’s about 10% below the 10-core M2 Pro, but well below the 12-core configuration
- the M3 Pro so many like to hate is 11% / 38% ahead
The M2 was released in July 2022, and its CPU cores were first released in the iPhone 13 in September 2021. So just in terms of core design, Intel seems to be roughly three years behind Apple.
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No, Apples appaling greed was the 10x markup they put on the RAM. Not the maximum in itself.
It's a bit of complicated situation.
On the one hand, semiconductors and processors are a vital strategic asset to the US (it's also what the Taiwan conflict is largely about), so it makes sense that the government subsidizes such companies at times of trouble.
On the other, Intel is a publicly traded stock and the board of Intel answers to shareholders, so Intel's primary motive is profit.
After having to listen to the fans in this damn intel 2019 27 imac, go FO intel, never again! Its a nightmare
"Intel didn't compare its new chips to Apple silicon chips, but the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite's CPU performance is not too far off from the M4 chip, so the Lunar Lake chips could be faster. Memory maxes out at 32GB though, so Intel doesn't have chips able to compete with the Pro and Max Apple silicon chips."
Based on Intel's track record of bashing Apple every chance they get ever since Apple ditched Intel's chips, does anyone really think they'd forgo that opportunity if their new chips were actually faster than Apple's?
Based on Intel's track record of bashing Apple every chance they get ever since Apple ditched Intel's chips, does anyone really think they'd forgo that opportunity if their new chips were actually faster than Apple's?
Yeah. It’s just going to be funny when we find out just how many companies are crucial to the national security apparatus in the coming years.
“$17B to Oscar Meyer Hot Dogs - turns out they’ve been feeding our boys working a black site in Senegal for the last two decades.”
Tell me the price of the Dell XPS 13 with Lunar Lake again?
Edit: Just went to fact check, and currently it is apparently ONLY available with 16GB. That’s one way to avoid a high upgrade price.
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Good post, fyi small typo in table M3 Pro has 6p6e:
Where did you get the leaked info with specific scores? That roughly tracks with what I estimated based on Intel's slides (actually a little lower).
Yep, must've made a copy & paste error. Thanks!
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ult...-leak-faster-single-core-30w-vs-ryzen-ai-300/ and https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ult...e-cpu-benchmarks-leak-faster-than-amd-8840hs/
That site has a few more bench marks for other models, if you search for "lunar lake". I haven't found one that's significantly different, though; they all seem to give me a picture of "at 17W, roughly like M2; at 30W, roughly like M2 Pro".
Note that I've only looked at Geekbench 6 results. Cinebench et al may give a different picture. GPU results may, as well.
Think I read it gets 16 AIs per gallon in the city and 20 AIs per gallon out in the open.
But hopefully this will compare to/surpass the M4... don't mind having a bit of flame under Tim's backside so it's not just all about supply chain optimization
Would buy a Framework laptop or NAS with this cpu.Oh, My my my, This is exciting to see! I'm looking forward to seeing this in person.