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Intel Shares Details on New 'Iris' Integrated Graphics for Haswell Chips
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Thank you for the info. This info didn't come a day too soon. I was on the verge of picking up a refurb rMBP or open box unit from Best Buy for a very decent value. I'll most certainly wait for Haswell now, though.
True, but since Intel seems to be roughly 1 year back in terms of GPU performance, once that gap closes to a few months behind there would be little reason for Apple or anyone else to use dGPUs. It looks like just a couple more years and dGPUs will be pushed out of the mainstream laptop market.
What's interesting is I brought up "Intel". I never compared them to Apple. Let's keep the discussion about Intel. And to answer your question, an outsider's prospective is only worthwhile if that person can restrain themselves from stomping on the company in question. Case in point, the news article was about Intel, I stayed on the discussion but you couldn't deal with and you had to bring Apple into it. You didn't have to bring up Apple. Apple is beside the point here. I dunno, but for me I would prefer to be in forums involving products I own, discuss companies that are making products that I will buy.
Here's a great example for you because I know your M.O. Does it make sense for me as an "outsider" to go to a Bentley forum, say nothing but negative things about them and say, "I will buy their car when they make the one that I want that costs $10k"?
And you know as well the rest of us that Apple is not going to produce said tower that you seem to want.
I don't say only negative things about Apple, look at my post history if you want. Profit margins are the only reason they wont make a tower, so you could see why I'm sore about profit margins.
^Seems like a comparison to me... I realize it was in jest, but you are criticizing Intel for something Apple goes crazy with. It's the best _____ ever! Every year (with higher margins, since you did make note of profits
)...And in the case of Apple's computers... they are better every year in a good part due to Intel to boot.
was too much nonsense for me not to comment.
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Well they need you to feel that your current computer is slow and outdated. A company can't keep living on prior sales. They need new sales.
Microsoft and Intel work together in a symbiotic relationship. Intel makes a fast new chipset. Microsoft writes some new software to make that computer seem slow. Customer response? I gotta replace this clunker.
How many people on this site are serial iPhone owners?
I know I am.
Case closed.
Do people actually believe this sort of crap?
In theory that sounds great, in practice...meh. I have Virtu MVP installed on my desktop and I find that when not using it I get better overall performance. I don't see the need of ever using the Intel HD 4000 iGPU on a desktop. Unless my GPU craps out, then I could use it until I get a replacement.
Intel's ability to constantly push the envelope of CPU performance (and physics itself--somehow creating a chip with transistor patterns that are 8-9 times smaller than the lightwaves used to etch them) is damn impressive. The only downside of the Haswell architecture is that it has the potential to eliminate NVIDIA from the mainstream computer market altogether. As long as integrated GPUs are 'good enough' to run desktop compositor animations, 2D games and low-complexity 3D games (such as the first person shooters currently available for iOS), manufactures will drop discrete GPUs from laptops. In fact, I'd bet Apple is the first to totally drop the dGPU--the next round of Retinized Macbook Pros will likely be Intel Haswell GT3 only.
Of course, what's not to believe? Install 10.6 on a MBA 2.1 and then install 10.8. The newer software will make that old MBA feel like a clunker. So what the poster is saying is perfect sensible, provided you ignore all the improvements/extra features in the new software. The beauty about the poster's claim is that it is so general as to make it trivial.
From an investment standpoint sure that's great, but if you're not an investor I wouldn't be bragging about that. "I'm proud I'm getting ripped off"
one day apple will be forced to allow third party apps
Now I'm only adhering to your request to check your post history. This is just for this month.
Most of your complaints about Apple are about them making mega profits. Are you serious in thinking that anyone would believe you saying that you would buy the tower you want them to make if they made it knowing that they would make mega profits off of you? I think not. 
Now I'm only adhering to your request to check your post history. This is just for this month.
I hear you, but seriously I'd be okay with getting ripped off if they made an upgradable tower. I'll consider it patriotism for buying american.
I remember the HUGE waiting for "Nehalem" thread on here. Now we need a waiting for "Skymont" thread.
Now we need a waiting for "Skymont" thread. The HD5000 is what will appear in the lowest TDP chips destined for ultrabooks (like the Air).
Why would you expect those would be the chips going into the Mac Mini, when the Mac Mini has the same higher TDP chips used in the Macbook Pro?
Anyway I'll be upgrading from an HD3000 so the difference will be pretty significant.
From what I know about Haswell, it'll only run 47w when the processor and GPU both are running at full tilt. It idles lower and allocates power much more efficiently than Sandy Bridge, so even the top of the line chips will get better battery life overall.
I believe at the lowest levels, it only consumes about 10w of power. That puts it right in the dead center of ARM territory. So for internet, video, and email, you can expect a Macbook to get about the same amount of battery life as an iPad.
IMO if you complain about a tech company releasing updated products (even if it's every year) then you need to just need to quit looking at tech stuff and find something else to do in your free time.
It's tech...it's going to change and get updated every day, even after the new thing comes out.
It's tech...it's going to change and get updated every day, even after the new thing comes out.
Can hardly wait!
This is what I have been waiting for. Now i'm going to get the mac mini when its updated at the end of this year.
This is what I have been waiting for. Now i'm going to get the mac mini when its updated at the end of this year.
No, it doesn't. Current ARM chips all run under 1W average. We're still talking about at least an order of magnitude more power usage for x86 chips even at idle.
Not from what I've read. It might idle at 1w, but the iPad 3 consumes about 4.5w on video playback, and likely uses even more for higher end applications like games and photo editors. There are some Chromebooks out there that can spike as high as 12w under heavy usage.
Low end usage on a Haswell is just about on par with current ARM chips. It's slightly higher, but still pitching in the same ballpark.
Here you go. It's not a 100% fair comparison in all regards, since this is written about older tech (Clover Trail vs. A9 based chips), but it's good for showing that x86 chips are able to stand toe to toe against ARM chips these days.
Of course any Haswell based machine won't ever be as efficient as the iPad, but you shouldn't expect it to be. That's not what it's designed for. The fact i5 can come close is pretty damn impressive, you gotta admit.
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