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If you are going to wait for the next upgrade, you will wait your whole life. Here is what once some one said. Buy a 2015 rMBP now. if Apple releases a future macbook that you like, sell yours, and pay a few extra $100 and get the new one. Pay your money, not with your life's days. But Apple releases new products in the next 3 months, maybe you should wait this short period... If you have the money,buy now, and upgrade later.




I wonder if the OS can utilise external GPUs to do other tasks like running another OS (parallels) to help the CPU. That would be awesome.


I agree with this guy. You could always sell your laptop as apple products hold value. Pay more out of pocket for the new laptop.
 
It is one thing to make announcements on powerpoint - but can Intel deliver products? Intel is one of the few companies still trying to maintain manufacturing operations in the US, and no manufacturer worth their salt manufactures anything in the US these days. If Intel were to move their factories to China or Taiwan, home to the best manufacturing labor, then there is some hope of hitting high volumes on time. I remember Tim Cook stating the reasons for Apple to go to China - the only place where 500,000 laborers can be cold called to start a production line in 30 minutes - try that with union labor in the US!!
 
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It is one thing to make announcements on powerpoint - but can Intel deliver products? Intel is one of the few companies still trying to maintain manufacturing operations in the US, and no manufacturer worth their salt manufactures anything in the US these days. If Intel were to move their factories to China or Taiwan, home to the best manufacturing labor, then there is some hope of hitting high volumes on time. I remember Tim Cook stating the reasons for Apple to go to China - the only place where 500,000 laborers can be cold called to start a production line in 30 minutes - try that with union labor in the US!!

either that or we should have more competition instead of 1 company building all the processors for almost every PC in existence . Imagine if Ford had to build most cars for all 6 continents
 
I'm still rocking a 2012 IvyBridge Core i7 Mini. I use lots of VMs so the most recent refresh that cut the multi-threaded performance in half was not a palatable solution for me. Apple really needs to release a Skylake based Mini with 4 cores. 32GB DDR4 would be a nice addition too - hopefully they don't use the slowest available DDR4 either... The upgrade I'm really looking for is the M.2, which based on the new Sunrise Point chipset with PCIe 3 should allow for read/write speeds up to 1740MB/sec and 1450MB/sec.

I can't justify purchasing a Mac Pro - I don't want or need the GPUs. Honestly I wish Apple would release a midrange desktop. I know it will never happen, but one can dream.
 
"Intel has taken the wraps off Skylake, the sixth-generation 14nm Core arc that follows on from Broadwell. Only two desktop chips are being released today: the high-end Core i7-6700K and Core i5-6600K. Along with a new microarchitecture and socket, there's also a new chipset called Sunrise Point."

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-reviewed/
+ the Tick-Tock cycle breaks.

Appropriate for the nMP(7)? Tbd.
 
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If Intel were to move their factories to China or Taiwan, home to the best manufacturing labor, then there is some hope of hitting high volumes on time. I remember Tim Cook stating the reasons for Apple to go to China - the only place where 500,000 laborers can be cold called to start a production line in 30 minutes - try that with union labor in the US!!

I guess you think that is a good thing. I don't. It means 500,000 unemployed reasonable quality people sitting on their hands waiting for a phone call. That is pure waste, inefficiency, and exploitation.


On the subject of Skylake -- there a couple of chips on Ark now, so you can look up the particulars. The CPU is not a big advance, but, I wasn't expecting one. The new iGPU looks improved, but, still no native HDMI 2.0.
 
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What would it fix? That the WHOLE design is a toy?

Whole design of -- what?

I don't like the new MBP chassis compared to the Unibody line, but, the current MBPs are way fast enough to be a portable client, and, I love the Retina display resolution (I just hate the gloss). I like the flash-everywhere approach on all smallish client machines.

If you are complaining about the GPUs-- the intel built-in, the former and current discrete GPUs -- well, you just aren't going to get an Nvidia Titan X in a laptop right now, and, when GPUs that fast are in laptops, the gaming GPUs will still be way faster-- and too hot and power hungry to be in a laptop.

What exactly are you asking for?
 
"Intel has taken the wraps off Skylake, the sixth-generation 14nm Core arc that follows on from Broadwell. Only two desktop chips are being released today: the high-end Core i7-6700K and Core i5-6600K. Along with a new microarchitecture and socket, there's also a new chipset called Sunrise Point."

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-reviewed/
+ the Tick-Tock cycle breaks.

Appropriate for the nMP(7)? Tbd.

Thank you for posting the link to this article, very informative.
 
"Intel has taken the wraps off Skylake, the sixth-generation 14nm Core arc that follows on from Broadwell. Only two desktop chips are being released today: the high-end Core i7-6700K and Core i5-6600K. Along with a new microarchitecture and socket, there's also a new chipset called Sunrise Point."

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-reviewed/
+ the Tick-Tock cycle breaks.

Appropriate for the nMP(7)? Tbd.


I'm not familiar with Apples release and update cycles - with the new cpu and chipset 'released' how long before Apple typically rolls them into production? (i.e. I'm looking at an imac, but I'm not in a big hurry.) I'd presume there must be a certain amount of product development on apples side as well, even presuming they are involved with intel developments and specs.
 
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I'm not familiar with Apples release and update cycles - with the new cpu and chipset 'released' how long before Apple typically rolls them into production? (i.e. I'm looking at an imac, but I'm not in a big hurry.) I'd presume there must be a certain amount of product development on apples side as well, even presuming they are involved with intel developments and specs.
I would hold out a few more weeks until Intel's IDF event. These K-Series processors are out but in limited quantities.
 
I'm not familiar with Apples release and update cycles - with the new cpu and chipset 'released' how long before Apple typically rolls them into production? (i.e. I'm looking at an imac, but I'm not in a big hurry.) I'd presume there must be a certain amount of product development on apples side as well, even presuming they are involved with intel developments and specs.

You may be thinking that there is more there, there. There are only two CPU chips, though, as it happens, they may be candidates for the next-gen R5K iMac. It does seem to be getting more difficult, finally, to make faster chips. I'm glad you are not in a big hurry.
 
I would hold out a few more weeks until Intel's IDF event. These K-Series processors are out but in limited quantities.

I'm still trying to figure out why Intel did not include HDMI 2.0 in the new graphics. They support DP at 4096x2304@60Hz, but, only support HDMI 1.4 at 4096x2304@24Hz. Strange.

http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

You can buy a decent 4K/3840x2160 TV now for less than $1000 with one or more HDMI 2.0 ports-- one would have thought that a desktop-oriented gaming/imaging-oriented processor would support HDMI 2.0 natively.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out why Intel did not include HDMI 2.0 in the new graphics. They support DP at 4096x2304@60Hz, but, only support HDMI 1.4 at 4096x2304@24Hz. Strange.

http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

You can buy a decent 4K/3840x2160 TV now for less than $1000 with one or more HDMI 2.0 ports-- one would have thought that a desktop-oriented gaming/imaging-oriented processor would support HDMI 2.0 natively.
Isn't the suggestion for the motherboard vendor to convert the DP signal to a HDMI one? I wish it was built-in too instead of requiring someone else to slap a solution onto it.
 
Isn't the suggestion for the motherboard vendor to convert the DP signal to a HDMI one? I wish it was built-in too instead of requiring someone else to slap a solution onto it.

I'm not sure. Maybe someone knows. I would have thought that most small workstation/desktop users would have both a (DP) display and an (HDMI) TV or second display. I wonder if Intel engineers don't realize that 4K TVs with HDMI 2.0 ports are actually already here and affordable.
 
I'm not sure. Maybe someone knows. I would have thought that most small workstation/desktop users would have both a (DP) display and an (HDMI) TV or second display. I wonder if Intel engineers don't realize that 4K TVs with HDMI 2.0 ports are actually already here and affordable.
It's on this slide from the Skylake release deck. You take the DP signal and convert it to HDMI 2.0.
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It's on this slide from the Skylake release deck. You take the DP signal and convert it to HDMI 2.0.

Still seems odd that they wouldn't have just implemented HDMI 2.0 directly themselves, but, it probably has to do with some HDMI intellectual property thing. I see that there is a one-chip solution for motherboard makers, though, right here:

http://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.phphttp://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.php

http://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.php

I wonder who is using it?

They also have a chip version designed for active cable adapters/docking stations, etc.
 
Still seems odd that they wouldn't have just implemented HDMI 2.0 directly themselves, but, it probably has to do with some HDMI intellectual property thing. I see that there is a one-chip solution for motherboard makers, though, right here:

http://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.phphttp://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.php

http://www.megachips.us/news/MCDP28familyofDisplayPortproducts.php

I wonder who is using it?

They also have a chip version designed for active cable adapters/docking stations, etc.
The licensing for HDMI 2.0 makes sense. It also gives motherboard manufacturers another check mark to put onto their products to promote them over others. With the northbridge and southbridge now being part of the processor itself, motherboard makers need to have other features to sell their boards to make a profit. It's getting tougher every year and you are seeing some crazy features now.
 
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