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I love how I literally just bought the new 15" with the highest cpu specs and second highest internal memory specs. What do you recommend I return and wait for skylake or say f it and use this baby
 
FINALLY someone gets it, lol. Christ, it's like macrumors members don't even know the product...

We do you know and the fact that you know makes the statement really stupid. It can't be overclocked because the case doesn't allow it. It's not a product aimed at someone that wants 5% extra performance out of a CPU by overclocking.
 
I love how I literally just bought the new 15" with the highest cpu specs and second highest internal memory specs. What do you recommend I return and wait for skylake or say f it and use this baby

Use it, like i'm using mine, these wont be out until at least Feb/March next year, thats a solid 10 months of work.
 
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We do you know and the fact that you know makes the statement really stupid. It can't be overclocked because the case doesn't allow it. It's not a product aimed at someone that wants 5% extra performance out of a CPU by overclocking.

4790 can be overclocked by up to 28%. Please don't downplay overclocking capabilities.
 
What's the story with hardware HEVC decoding?

I've been trying to hold off to buy a small NUC or build a SFF mini-itx system, but don't want to do it until there's a chip that supports full 10-bit HEVC decoding.
 
4790 can be overclocked by up to 28%. Please don't downplay overclocking capabilities.

Buy a giant ugly case with adequate water cooling capabilities and do it then if you're so concerned by a faster CPU - i'm sure your handbrake encodes will really benefit from it.
 
Subjective.



Not necessary.



It's a tool for getting work done, of course performance is a concern.



Of course they will.

Yeah, you'll save all of 20 seconds of your life... Raw CPU speeds is well below I/O speed, SSD speed and graphics card capability on my list of wants. It's also below amounts of RAM, all those things affect my day today work much more.

I'm not sure what your perpetual moaning is about in this thread anyway. You can't over clock an iMac the case isn't designed to allow it, end of. Its irrelevant what the chip can or can't do.
 
Doesn't apply in this case though. Because Intel is basically approaching the end of the line with their current processors. 2016 Intel is supposed to move to 10nm and 2017 they MIGHT move to 7nm, but beyond that, a radical change is going to be needed for CPUs, so what your saying is complete speculation.
I think it's hard to link between nm upgrade to components integration. They seems to be two different approach.

And, even 7nm processor can be designed using pin to connect other components on board using slot.

See those ultra mini motherboard, processor becomes a fixed component on board. Why? This can achieve a compact design and reduce the board size, plus eliminating possible slot related issue, such as some pins are not correctly installed on designated slot, or for processor, holes.

This is no longer a speculation. Actual product has already been rolled out.
 
To add more fuel to the mac gaming debate: It looks like Intel is finally and officially allowing external Thunderbolt GPUS. So it could be possible to connect your Skylake Macbook with a single cable to powerful docking gpu solution. There is a MSI prototype video:


If this turns out to be true, our computer upgrade cycle could last 7-8 years. Just buy a new GPU and plug it in! But I heard those external GPU's are super expensive you might as well build a gaming PC.
 
Nice, if this does turn out to be true, I might start re-thinking my desktop gaming situation.

I am all about convergence of technology, But due to gaming, I still have to have a Desktop computer AND a macbook air.

my dream is to have a MacBook Air (pro, indecisive), powering a high end enough GPU that I can sit down, dock and game, then pick up my computer and go **** on the couch, then take it to work.

Thunderbolt always seemed like the PERFECT solution to docking stations. more than enough low latency bandwith to handle virtually any external device you want, including GPU's. It's just taking 5+ bloody years for this to start to happen. And not because of any technical reason, But because INtel can't get their collective heads out of their corporate asses.

Officially Intel has been afraid of a huge problem with hotplugging and sudden power off. Unofficially i suspect the same motive as you: By blocking eGPU setups they made more money, because a lot of pc gamers bought either an extra desktop setup or a more expensive quadcore/iris pro/dGPU laptop.

This new move could enable really cool combinations. A 12'' MB with the GPU Dock+ midlevel mainstream GPU+ 4K display sounds good. Best portability when you're on the go, fast enough for mainstream gaming and easily connected with just one cable when you're at home.

If this turns out to be true, our computer upgrade cycle could last 7-8 years. Just buy a new GPU and plug it in! But I heard those external GPU's are super expensive you might as well build a gaming PC.

They are super expensive, because it is a niche product in the professional market. And you often need to work around a few psu problems, because GPUs aren't officially supported. In the future Thundelbolt 3 isn't limited to macs and a few highend asus/msi/gigabyte mainboards anymore. It has a standard USB-C port. And GPU Docks have Intels blessing. So we should see a lot of mainstream products, which will hopefully reduce the price for such solutions.
 
Apple won't let GPU vendors release their own drivers
hmm strange which a bit of good Eling I am able to find Nvidia drivers for osx on Nvidia Web site (their search function for drivers does not work well for osx, but whatever), at you saying that those drivers are made by Apple? OK Cuba is not used in games (iirc), but I find it strange that Apple wold not allow Nvidia (which knows their own hw better than anyone) to make osx drivers. what am I missing here?
 
Officially Intel has been afraid of a huge problem with hotplugging and sudden power off. Unofficially i suspect the same motive as you: By blocking eGPU setups they made more money, because a lot of pc gamers bought either an extra desktop setup or a more expensive quadcore/iris pro/dGPU laptop.

This new move could enable really cool combinations. A 12'' MB with the GPU Dock+ midlevel mainstream GPU+ 4K display sounds good. Best portability when you're on the go, fast enough for mainstream gaming and easily connected with just one cable when you're at home.



They are super expensive, because it is a niche product in the professional market. And you often need to work around a few psu problems, because GPUs aren't officially supported. In the future Thundelbolt 3 isn't limited to macs and a few highend asus/msi/gigabyte mainboards anymore. It has a standard USB-C port. And GPU Docks have Intels blessing. So we should see a lot of mainstream products, which will hopefully reduce the price for such solutions.

They are ready to officially back supporting external GPUs with Thunderbolt 3. It's been demoed already by an Intel spokesperson (never happened before).
 
The biggest thing about those skylake chips will be the 80% lower silicon power on the quad core H chips.
That means they basically come down to U series SoC power. For Windows quad core notebooks that means they will make huge jumps in battery life. For the MBP it should still helps some with real battery life.
Otherwise it is like 10% extra performance that is barely more than the mid haswell stepping change from 2.3 to 2.5Ghz delivered. Graphics should be more power efficient but I don't think in pure speed it will change much except on the fastest GT4e version.

What it will also help with is the lower TDP so that you can put the same, or a more powerful GPU in the MBP chassis, and not have either component down clocking due to thermal throttling.
 
With the way Intel handled the Broadwell launch (i.e. badly), we probably won't see Skylake MacBook Pros until 2017.
 
Faster, faster, faster. But if they don't bring a touchscreen option, is there really a point? Do that, integrate it well with bootcamp to Windows 10, and we may have a deal.
 
Well, if they can squeeze 80% power savings out of it, then Apple can afford a measly 13% of that power and put it towards a 17" MBP Retina machine. Who's with me? Hey, Taylor Swift, think you can make THAT happen?
 
They are super expensive, because it is a niche product in the professional market. And you often need to work around a few psu problems, because GPUs aren't officially supported. In the future Thundelbolt 3 isn't limited to macs and a few highend asus/msi/gigabyte mainboards anymore. It has a standard USB-C port. And GPU Docks have Intels blessing. So we should see a lot of mainstream products, which will hopefully reduce the price for such solutions.

I don't see why not in the future GPUs could be mainly a plug-in thing. Sounds easier than have to install it in the case, easier to resell, and all laptops-and future gadgets like tablets and consoles- can benefit from it.
 
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