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Intel to Supply Apple with Special High-End Haswell Processors for MacBook Pro

dagamer34 said:
If you care about GPU performance, wait for Broadwell.
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Intel have always been saying that:

2011 "if you want good performance, wait for ivy bridge"

2012 "if you want good performance, haswell will knock our socks off"

2013 " if you care about GPU performance, wait for broad well"

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mdriftmeyer said:
The future is OpenCL, no matter how hard Nvidia fights it.
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But someone will have to come forward and bring OpenCL up to the level of CUDA. That hasn't happened, but I'm glad there are companies like apple who are pushing for it.
 
Special high end Haswell processors sound good. But the integrated graphics these chips provide are still going to be crap compared to a dedicated solution.

Intel is generally very misleading or tends to exaggerate a bit too much about graphics performance improvements.

And I find it pretty funny they are comparing 3DMark scores, which frankly speaking means absolutely nothing in real world situations, such as games..

EDIT: My mistake, I meant integrated graphics :p
 
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benjones said:
What most of you anti-dGPU n00bs fail to realise is that a machine with Iris Pro is likely to have a shorter battery life compared to a machine with 4600+750M when doing usual 'on battery' tasks like web browsing etc. You generally don't do massive number crunching when on battery.

Dropping the dGPU this generation is a mistake. Plain and simple.
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you might be right, you might be wrong.
there still aren't any side by side comparison between dGPU and iGPU.
 
adildacoolset said:
So if intel build a special version that brings the performance up by about 40%, it'll be a decent upgrade. Then again, 40% is a lot.
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and yet not to forget because 650M is the past...now a proper dGPU is 750M that is 7-8% better than 650M so the iris pro HD5300 must be 47% better than HD5200
 
daneoni said:
...and there it is. The death of the Pro in MacBook Pro. So Apple can continue their irrational obsession with stripping functionality to make thinner and thinner.

R.I.P.
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No One needs the "Pro" anymore in a Laptop. My '09 Macbook Pro is like a snail compared to the '11 Air.
The Pro already is gone - they just need to phase out the name tag. The new "trash can Mac Pro" is the Pro to lug around now (when available ;-)) - at least in Apples vision. The time where you upgrade because of significant performance increases is over anyway. Who is able to boost performance but intel itself? We face the same problem as in the eraly 2000s as speed increase was bought at extreme thermal costs but today no one will pay the costs.

Thats my Point of View.
 
get rid of the old

Apple will not take a step backwards in performance. If anything it will remain about the same but I am willing to bet they will offer something for it.

IMO, get rid of HDD and non-retina. People still make fun of Apple for the "retina" moniker but we have Apple to thank for these higher resolution screen sizes. We were stuck at 1080 and would of for another 5 years.
 
iPhysicist said:
No One needs the "Pro" anymore in a Laptop. My '09 Macbook Pro is like a snail compared to the '11 Air.
The Pro already is gone - they just need to phase out the name tag. The new "trash can Mac Pro" is the Pro to lug around now (when available ;-)) - at least in Apples vision. The time where you upgrade because of significant performance increases is over anyway. Who is able to boost performance but intel itself? We face the same problem as in the eraly 2000s as speed increase was bought at extreme thermal costs but today no one will pay the costs.

Thats my Point of View.
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only because of SSD - CPU in air is crap.
Learn basics.
 
nikaru said:
The new Macbook Pro line all retina. No more none retina models.
13inch with 256GB SSD with clocked i5 haswell and 8GB of RAM. 1199$
13inch with 256GB SSD with clocked i7 haswell and 8GB of RAM. 1399$
15inch with 256GB SSD with clocked i7 haswell, dGPU and 8GB of RAM. 1599$
15inch with 512GB SSD with clocked i7 haswell, dGPU and 16GB of RAM. 1799$
17inch with 512GB SSD with clocked i7 haswell, dGPU and 16GB of RAM. 1999$

Standard: HD Face Time, Thunrbolt 2, WiFi 802.11ac.

Option: Swap the 256GB SSD for 1TB Fusion or the 512GB SSD for 2TB fusion for free.
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Thats wishful thinking
 
Serban said:
yes with only IGPU HD5300 the battery will be better i think +4 more hours normal usage and 1-2 more hours heavy usage
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The iris pro is likely to have a higher power draw, so we shall see.


adildacoolset said:
So if intel build a special version that brings the performance up by about 40%, it'll be a decent upgrade. Then again, 40% is a lot.
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Apple typically doesn't use the most expensive cpu options from intel, and you will not get 40% out of a custom order, especially not out of anything cost effective.

Serban said:
and yet not to forget because 650M is the past...now a proper dGPU is 750M that is 7-8% better than 650M so the iris pro HD5300 must be 47% better than HD5200
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I thought the 750m gain was more like 20%? It's unfortunate that the dual core options lack the best gpus. This would have been a welcome boost for many people in the 13" range, and it would have added value to the 13" rmbp.

Serban said:
What about rMBP 17" with dGPU 780M ?
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Apple never went with a card of that level on the 17". Just having more pixels to push wouldn't change that. Silly people suggested that they wouldn't do a 13" with integrated only, even though the 15" retained gpu switching.

dagamer34 said:
If you care about GPU performance, wait for Broadwell.
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What constitutes good is always changing. Integrated graphics have become more popular because their performance has increased much faster than discrete counterparts. Intel has heavily optimized in favor of gpus since 2011. The HD 3000 was a huge step up. HD 4000 was another step up. If they were still going with the GMA era roadmap, these things would not be as common. If you recall back then Apple used NVidia's integrated chips in everything but the white macbooks.
 
daneoni said:
...and there it is. The death of the Pro in MacBook Pro. So Apple can continue their irrational obsession with stripping functionality to make thinner and thinner.

R.I.P.
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Apple is clearly putting all its eggs in the graphics area of the market given the new mac pro with dual GPUs and the current retina display. The new macbook pro will be like my current one - it will have integrated graphics and an additional powerful graphics card. The internal one is probably to increase battery life in their new 'all day' marketing claim.
 
ls1dreams said:
If they phase out the non-retina models, I'm very curious to see where the retina price point will end up.

Many people need more than 128gb of storage, and I think it would be very painful for most to have to pay $1700 for a 256gb retina (and only 13" !!!) vs. $1200 for a non-retina.

I'd be pretty thrilled if I could get a 13" retina, 256gb ssd msata version for around $1200-$1300 !!! That said, I don't expect this to happen. MAYBE we'll see a $100 price drop for retina, but more than likely it will stay the same.
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I've said it a million times that 'Pro' Users need disk space over almost any other factors, if apple don't offer that big disk at a mid package and discontinue the cMBP they are in for a shock. Anyone looking at specs is not gonna choose a Mac anymore. I don't want to use an external disk just to carry out work that my current laptop can do in spades, it makes no sense for a user to update.
 
the411 said:
I'm confused:

Is this for MBP or Retina MBP? Would make no sense to need all this GPU power for the low-res standard screens.
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Of course, then they can strip they 15 inch MBP from its dedicated graphic ships as the build-in intel GPU is strong enough.
 
You guys realise the difference in performance is mostly due to TDP?
The performance is lost having to run in a 55W envelop instead of 90W.

The question is can Apple obtain good quality Haswells that deliver a little bit more performance and if Apple can dissipate the extra heat (in order to avoid kicking in the reduced performance mode that happens on the MBAirs).

Personally I went for a Hackintosh recently (mostly because I was tired of bloody external drives poor quality and horrible PSUs) and I've not yet installed a discrete GPU.
i7-3770K's (oc at 4.6) HD4000 is pretty good at low resolutions, I'll only make the jump when my 2560x1440 display arrives. The real question is what resolutions game devs render in on the laptop but chances are Haswell's Iris pro 5200 could be more than enough for most.
 
eltaurus said:
apple don't drop Dedicated GPU (Nvidia/ATI) .. that would be huge mistake.. Remember rMBP 13" sales.. not good right .. reason no GPU
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But with twice the power on the Haswell this might just fix the problem without compromising the form factor. dGPU will vanish soon from notebooks without a question quite soon.
 
For now we need 750M or HD5300...maybe next year with HD6000 things will go with no dGPU
 
adildacoolset said:
Intel have always been saying that:

2011 "if you want good performance, wait for ivy bridge"

2012 "if you want good performance, haswell will knock our socks off"

2013 " if you care about GPU performance, wait for broad well"
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This...
Marketing blurb is marketing blurb. We've been waiting for haswell and the hyped improvements to battery and gpu for a fair while - Now that it has arrived, the general consensus on real world performance in both areas is pretty much "meh".
It's just another process shrink and small incremental upgrade. However many billions spent of rnd, power gate switching etc and marketing doesn't shouldn't distract from the real world results (and certainly not the stupid simpleton graphs we often see from intel/apple)
 
maybe Apple will discontinue the non rMBP and have dGPU and non dGPU rMBP's or call the non d MB's and the d MBP's
 
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