I don't think 500mW are negligable when it comes to battery life. And you can be sure this power consumption will be counted. Also you need to power the circuit which will drive the fan with different speeds. It all adds up...
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I don't think 500mW are negligable when it comes to battery life. And you can be sure this power consumption will be counted. Also you need to power the circuit which will drive the fan with different speeds. It all adds up...
I normally trust Charlie completely but I don't expect much beyond priority for certain bins of Haswell mobile. Maybe even shifting to the 55W ones and removing the discrete graphics. Now, on how Apple will tout the GRAPHIX power is another story.
Man I agree 100%. My next Macbook will likely be a 13' as I travel a lot now. My 2011 15" is just too damn bulky to travel with comfortably now.
It's about the future. The CPU and integrated GPU would share a common memory address space, such that you don't have to copy data from the memory of each other anymore (zero copy). Time is gone when a low-end graphics card beated an iGPU handily. Unfortunately, the cpu from AMD is not competitive, otherwise we would have seen MBP with AMD APUs
Perhaps in this generation, Apple will have a 15inch base SKU with integrated GPU, and other higher-end SKUs with dGPU as well
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The CPU in 15 MBP is 45W! Do you really think 500mW is a lot? The display is a monster, too.
When the CPU is consuming 5Watts, it would be so cool that the fan barely needs to work
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the driver problem happens when you are using WINDOWS and playing DIRECTX GAMES
There is already support for some OpenCl in Adobe's Mercury engine for Mac, but it looks like there is now (beta at least) support for Premiere Pro CC on the Windows platform. I'm trying to find definitive answers on Adobe's website, but AMD is working with Adobe to accelerate the process of new drivers.
There is a fault in your post.
Apple's PowerBook Aluminum 12" was a PPC based laptop that did have a dedicated GPU, however even if IBM could make the G5 into a mobile chip the heat on that bad boy (let alone a MBA or MBP) would leave you a mule.
based on this article, it seems more likely that apple would simply be getting higher binned parts. That means, they can be overclocked higher.
So, instead of putting a 47 watt part clocked to 55 watts, it might reach 60 watts or 65 watts. Ivy bridge + 650m was around 80 watts, so the cooling would be fine.
I sincerely doubt Intel is going to go back to the drawing board and completely redesign Iris Pro for Apple inside of 2 months.
So what is it that you know about rMBP 13" sales that nobody else knows?
Fact is, outside a small but vocal minority, nobody cares about dedicated graphics.
No kidding... I will likely purchase a high-end 15" MBPr with an amazing screen, a large, fast SSD, 16 GB of high speed ram, with mediocre graphics that can't match last year's GPU performance. All for the princely sum of $3k. Well, my cup runneth over!
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Its german, BUT its says the iris 5200 ist close to the 750m.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/intel-iris-pro-5200-grafik-im-test/
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/intel-iris-pro-5200-grafik-im-test/
Honestly, I think this upcoming MBP will be one of the best models to last people a long time.
Why?
- Power efficient
- Has retina
- HD 5000/5200 graphics are quite good (similar to an 8800) and could be quite for for laptop users for most purposes
- SSD*
* This is the biggest exception: 128gb and 256gb is still a bit on the small side today. If 512gb's were better off in price and close to a base model, then I'd argue that you could work on this machine for 5+ years easily.
Why?
- Power efficient
- Has retina
- HD 5000/5200 graphics are quite good (similar to an 8800) and could be quite for for laptop users for most purposes
- SSD*
* This is the biggest exception: 128gb and 256gb is still a bit on the small side today. If 512gb's were better off in price and close to a base model, then I'd argue that you could work on this machine for 5+ years easily.
I totally want a new laptop, though. I would like to say my one is on its way out, but it doesn't do everything I want it to do. I also like to do my own thing on the side, so having a powerful laptop would be helpful beyond programming.
power was never something macs were able to deliver at a competitive price point so not sure what you're complaining about...
How about MacBook Pro name for the original semi-pro MBP, and a MacBook Con name for this newly transformed machine that may focus more on thinness than raw power and features? If Apple continues to focus more on form factor than on processing power, perhaps one day these new MacBooks will become so thin that they will truly become "cutting edge."
Did anybody actually click through to the SemiAccurate article? The part you can read without a subscription says this (emphasis mine):
"Unique part" and "bespoke" doesn't sound like a GT3e part with higher clocks. Most people would interpret this as a custom SKU. Remember: GPUs are embarrassingly parallel, and scale quite well with additional compute units.
- This means that Intel wouldn't have to put in much design work to add more compute, so long as the intended application had the thermal headroom to use it.
- Considering the current i7-4950HQ with Iris Pro GT3e is only 47w, and the current TDP of the chassis is somewhere north of 80W. Is 60-70EUs that far fetched?
- Would that outperform an Nvidia GT 750M? Probably some of the time. Questions about memory bandwidth remain. Adding a GDDR5 memory bus is a somewhat more considerable design change than just dropping in more EUs. Maybe make the on-die cache 512MB instead, that would be interesting.
I know more than half of you seem to think that ALL IGPs are EVILLLL, and "Pro" machines don't have IGPs because ZOMG and stuff. The reality is the Retina MacBook Pro never contained pro parts anyways. Also IGPs are completely capable of being faster than dGPUs, and to think otherwise is just completely absurd.
So I think the moral here is stop complaining, because fully anything is possible. Based on this rumor Apple could ship a terrible crippled laptop, or a great brilliant laptop. Do you know? No, you don't. Stop the annoying pessimism and doom-crying.
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"Unique part" and "bespoke" doesn't sound like a GT3e part with higher clocks. Most people would interpret this as a custom SKU. Remember: GPUs are embarrassingly parallel, and scale quite well with additional compute units.
- This means that Intel wouldn't have to put in much design work to add more compute, so long as the intended application had the thermal headroom to use it.
- Considering the current i7-4950HQ with Iris Pro GT3e is only 47w, and the current TDP of the chassis is somewhere north of 80W. Is 60-70EUs that far fetched?
- Would that outperform an Nvidia GT 750M? Probably some of the time. Questions about memory bandwidth remain. Adding a GDDR5 memory bus is a somewhat more considerable design change than just dropping in more EUs. Maybe make the on-die cache 512MB instead, that would be interesting.
I know more than half of you seem to think that ALL IGPs are EVILLLL, and "Pro" machines don't have IGPs because ZOMG and stuff. The reality is the Retina MacBook Pro never contained pro parts anyways. Also IGPs are completely capable of being faster than dGPUs, and to think otherwise is just completely absurd.
So I think the moral here is stop complaining, because fully anything is possible. Based on this rumor Apple could ship a terrible crippled laptop, or a great brilliant laptop. Do you know? No, you don't. Stop the annoying pessimism and doom-crying.
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there have been stories lately that Intel is starting to customize their CPU's for different customers
Yes, that is true. It also wouldn't be the first time. Intel has done some amount of small feature tweaking for Apple in the past. Nor is it only Intel doing this. We all know about the Nvidia GTX 680MX in the 27" 2012 iMac. Only Apple ever got that part, and it's a doozy. (Technically it exists now as the GTX 780M.)
Then you have the option of a refurbed rMBP for cheaper and it has a better screen. Runs cooler and quitter? You have to show me that cause I won both and the air is louder and feels the same in the temp department.
I've been thinking of going for the 15" cMBP for nearly a year now to replace my 2010 iMac.
I've been in no rush but as I'm now having to go abroad on average once a month for a few weeks at a time I need a laptop as my iPad is no longer enough.
I need a desktop replacement laptop with enough power and storage to be my sole computer.
If Apple decide to drop a dedicated GPU from the cMBP I'm going to really have to reconsider a Mac as I enjoy gaming on occasions.
If they also replace the HD with a SSD I hope that a 512GB SSD will come in a model at £1499.
I think it will be an interesting time for the cMBP once fall comes around.
I've been in no rush but as I'm now having to go abroad on average once a month for a few weeks at a time I need a laptop as my iPad is no longer enough.
I need a desktop replacement laptop with enough power and storage to be my sole computer.
If Apple decide to drop a dedicated GPU from the cMBP I'm going to really have to reconsider a Mac as I enjoy gaming on occasions.
If they also replace the HD with a SSD I hope that a 512GB SSD will come in a model at £1499.
I think it will be an interesting time for the cMBP once fall comes around.