Intel Unveils 10th-Generation 'Comet Lake' Chips With Speeds Over 5GHz

[Microdot]

Most of what Apple sells is mobile and AMD is woefully behind there. If AMD can beat Intel at mobile, THAT’S when you can seriously consider that Apple may move to AMD.

These are mobile chips. AMD is not ahead of Intel on the mobile side of things. What will be interesting is to see how the non-mobile Intel processors compare to AMD's desktop offerings.

amd just pushed their 4000 series that is focusing heavily on laptop/mobile.. and they blow intel out of the water.

Early listings reveal first 8C/16T AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile APUs

The AMD Ryzen 4000 'Renoir' APU lineup is expected to become official early in 2020.

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[high heaven]

Well, the clock is not everything. You need to check IPC too. Since 10th gen is still based on 14nm, I wouldn't put any interests.

 

[Metrosey]

I thought we all knew Comet-Lake H-Series was 14nm? What's with all the surprised people?

 

[AustinIllini]

It was stated by Intel for up to 8 cores.



Yet still performing extremely well. I think people should focus less on the marketing terms, Intel 14nm is different to TSMC. Would we like to see Intel go to a lower nanometer technology, yes. Will it significantly change everything in terms of performance, no.

14 nm is a marketing term?

 

[CIA]

Poor Intel. I get they are still doing well in the mobile space, but the lack of 10nm or sub 10nm is just murdering them in the public eye these days.

 

[Metrosey]

14 nm is a marketing term?

In terms of nanometer technology, numbers have been a marketing term for the past few years, yes, that's certainly been the case. Is 14nm a marketing, no.

 

[69Mustang]

I think AMD is already on 7nm, at least partially. Yes, they are kicking Intel's backside down the block. If you're building a PC, the wise choice at the moment is pretty much AMD across the board. Even their server chips are better and way faster than the Mac Pro for a fraction of the price. I wish Apple would move to AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs. They've got it completely backwards now.

AMD is already rumored to be close to 5nm (Zen 4 in ~2021) using TSMC's 5nm node. But be careful. Node size isn't a 1-to-1 with actual chip size. Chip manufacturers have been playing fast and loose with chip size marketing for a number of years. 7nm, 5nm, etc. don't actually mean 7nm and 5nm in the way the general public understands size measurements.

That's not to say what they're doing isn't outstanding. It is. Damn fine engineering. But as long as manufacturers play with numbers the way they do, we should always "grain of salt" when tossing around numbers that don't exactly mean what they mean.

 

[Zdigital2015]

aaaaaand our mac pro is outdated already

Not in the least...I’m not even sure how you would draw that conclusion. These are 14nm CPUs for the MacBook Pro and aren’t likely to come out before April/May. This is simply a BS PR move to blunt AMD’s webcast later today (5:00PM EST) wherein AMD is rumored to be demoing/announcing some type of challenger to Intel’s mobile CPUs. Typical d*** move by Intel as of late.

 

[wallysb01]

5ghz hey? So we can expect the next MacBook Pros to hit 2.3ghz...

Single or lightly multithreaded tasks should still hit what ever top end turbo these things get. Given that this is 14nm+++++ or something, I wouldn't expect much additional multicore performance though. The thing will be thermally constrained for that.

 

[Metrosey]

AMD is already rumored to be close to 5nm (Zen 4 in ~2021) using TSMC's 5nm node. But be careful. Node size isn't a 1-to-1 with actual chip size. Chip manufacturers have been playing fast and loose with chip size marketing for a number of years. 7nm, 5nm, etc. don't actually mean 7nm and 5nm in the way the general public understands size measurements.

That's not to say what they're doing isn't outstanding. It is. Damn fine engineering. But as long as manufacturers play with numbers the way they do, we should always "grain of salt" when tossing around numbers that don't exactly mean what they mean.

Exactly, from an analytical point of view, there's quite a few technological differences.

 

[Zdigital2015]

would these be suitable for Mac mini? trying to figure out if we are going to see new chips anytime soon

Suitable? Yes. however, Apple uses 65w TDP S-Series CPUs in the Mac mini, these are 45w TDP H-Series for the 16” MacBook Pro.
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Shame it's got no integrated Thunderbolt 3, will have to wait until 2022 for the Intel-H series 10nm I expect

More like never...don’t hold your breath.

 

[lunarworks]

begun, the ghz wars have.

Resumed.

Before they ran into a brick wall with NetBurst (Pentium 4), it was a constant race towards higher clock speeds. Things sort of plateaued around 3 GHz for about 15 years.

 

[cppguy]

I just hope and pray Apple stays with Intel chips. ARM hardware is great for phones and tablets, power efficiency and light tasks, but they simply do not perform the same or sustain peak computing for as long. As a gamer and Engineer who does a lot of simulation and uses taxing design software on the CPU/GPU ARM devices are not for me.

Just because they release one ARM model it doesn't mean Intel is all of a sudden out of support. Microsoft has both ARM and Intel Windows, and they're releasing all sorts of hardware. For us engineers and creative professionals, Intel will stay here. Especially now that the Mac Pros have just been released, they're not going to stop supporting that anytime soon. An ARM MacBook Air may or may not be released as an ultra-portable, but it will be a long time before software vendors can catch up. It's the same with the Surface Pro X, you can't use Photoshop or Premier. It's obviously for lawyers, journalists and businessmen. Many people wouldn't mind the iPad Pro's performance and battery life in a real MacBook format. I know it's useless with no software on it. Microsoft's own Windows ARM is pretty limiting with x86 32-bit emulation only. They're betting that developers will eventually catch up, but Windows Mobile was the same thing and it failed before. There's no way Apple can pull off an instant transition and stop supporting Intel, including the brand new Mac Pros.

 

[MikhailT]

I just hope and pray Apple stays with Intel chips. ARM hardware is great for phones and tablets, power efficiency and light tasks, but they simply do not perform the same or sustain peak computing for as long. As a gamer and Engineer who does a lot of simulation and uses taxing design software on the CPU/GPU ARM devices are not for me.

They absolutely will switch to their own silicon when they're ready, this is a sure thing. The question is when. I don't think it will happen for another few years though.

> but they simply do not perform the same or sustain peak computing for as long.
Says who? Have you seen Anandtech's reviews of the A12X chip in iPad Pro?

ARM perform great in tablet/phone because that's what they're designed for; form factor matters a lot and they're passive SoCs with no cooling. Of course they won't have full sustained performance, put the same Intel chips in the same form factor and they won't have the same sustained perf either. Why do you think there were a lot of outrage with 2018 RMBPs with Intel i9 CPU?

Build a ARM SoC specifically for laptops or desktops with cooling, you're going to see a much better performance. Especially with an OS optimized for it as well.

There's a reason Apple has been rebuilding their stack with APFS, bit code, Swift, Metal, etc. They're all going to be used to transition everything over to ARM-based Macs and making it easier for everyone to recompile to ARM.

Even Microsoft is working on this with Surface Pro X and Windows on ARM.

 

[CrysisDeu]

14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++nm
At least my 16inch will not be obsolete with 8c16t cpus, 4.8ghz or 5.3/5.4 ghz boost with same architecture and nanometer will be literally the same on macbooks.
With 5500m being a brand new GPU, no new integrated GPU (so no 120hz display or hdr display), and decent specs on other aspects, the only thing I will miss will be wifi6. Great

P.S. Maybe I will miss the word '10th gen' compared to '9th gen' on spec sheet. 10 seems more satisfying as a number to me than 9

 

[cube]

These are mobile chips. AMD is not ahead of Intel on the mobile side of things.

Wait until later today.

 

[MatthewAMEL]

14mm and no PCIe4 for another year. Intel is getting as bad as IBM duirng the PowerPC days.

 

[CrysisDeu]

amd just pushed their 4000 series that is focusing heavily on laptop/mobile.. and they blow intel out of the water.

Early listings reveal first 8C/16T AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile APUs

The AMD Ryzen 4000 'Renoir' APU lineup is expected to become official early in 2020.

hexus.net

I am not on intel's side, but the 4000U series is not better than intel 9th gen or 10th gen.
If used on a mbp16, the integrated GPU is worse than 5500m, and the CPU is not better

 

[hardwickj]

C++++ SLOW TRANSACTION WOULD MAYBE BUY FROM AGAIN

 

[wallysb01]

I thought we all knew Comet-Lake H-Series was 14nm? What's with all the surprised people?

Yeah, nothing new here except a bit of detail directly from Intel confirming some of the rumors on clock speed, staying at 8 cores at the top end (which isn't at all a surprise, maxing out 8 cores already hit thermal issues on a laptop) and the feature set. Biggest impact for the MacBook Pro is really the LPDDR4x, Wifi 6. Not the clock speed, IMO.

 

[CrysisDeu]

I thought we all knew Comet-Lake H-Series was 14nm? What's with all the surprised people?

Maybe we didn't get 10c20t from Comet-H?

 

[Metrosey]

14mm and no PCIe4 for another year. Intel is getting as bad as IBM duirng the PowerPC days.

And you need 7nm and PCIe4 because?

 

[ssgbryan]

These are mobile chips. AMD is not ahead of Intel on the mobile side of things. What will be interesting is to see how the non-mobile Intel processors compare to AMD's desktop offerings.

Dr. Su speaks at 4 P.M.

Among other things, she is expected to announce the Zen 2mobile chips. 8 cores/16 threads w/Vega graphics @15watts.

Good times ahead......

 

[CrysisDeu]

14 nm is a marketing term?

7nm, 5nm is a marketing term. I remember a news about a representative from TSMC stating that the 'nm' is more like a symbol, just like '10th gen'.
However, intel's inability to release 10nm as scheduled should still be considered as a management disaster.

 

[ssgbryan]

And you need 7nm and PCIe4 because?

Some of us have a need for speed.