hardwickj
macrumors 6502
If it were 14mm then the CPU would be the size of a school bus.
Intel Unveils 10th-Generation 'Comet Lake' Chips With Speeds Over 5GHz
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That was rumored yes
Looking forward to WiFI ax, I'm currently saving for my first MacBook next year. Was hoping for integrated Thunderbolt 3 as I wanted to go the eGPU route too but can't have everything haha.
It seems there will also be H parts announced today.
5Ghz+ only attainable for a few seconds on just one core running so I'm not holding my breath
Like the Scooby doo cartoon clip up there as this is basically Sky Lake++++ which means it's going to run just as hot and will throttle as before.
Lack of LPDDR4 support on H version is also stupid (which is what the MBP 16 would use)
Intel screwed up 10nm launch so badly here
Like the Scooby doo cartoon clip up there as this is basically Sky Lake++++ which means it's going to run just as hot and will throttle as before.
Lack of LPDDR4 support on H version is also stupid (which is what the MBP 16 would use)
Intel screwed up 10nm launch so badly here
CrysisDeu
macrumors 65816
PCIe-4 For Faster SSD. Macs usually have the fastest SSD, but not today.
Yes, the increased speed is not necessary, but apple is apple, and they kind of have to deliver the best.
7nm for battery life, self-explanatory
And we expect an mGPU with PCIe4 this year? Let alone the fact PCIe3 isn't being fully utilised by an mGPU currently?
Creative professionals doesn't care about Intel, they care about their software and performance since time is money (why CUDA is key but that didn't stop them from getting Macs without nvidia GPUs). Adobe has confirmed ARM versions of their collection is coming. If Photoshop or other tools work on Surface Pro X without any issues, than what's the problem? The issues with Surface Pro X isn't hardware, it's the software and MS doesn't have solid history of getting devs to recompile whereas Apple does.
Apple has done it before with PPC and then Intel transitions; Apple is a rare company that can do this with a lot of experience and proven history track behind it.
As for Surface Pro X, that's just due to Microsoft and backward compatibility. macOS keeps dropping software compatibility support much faster than Windows; with Catalina dropping 32-bit support that makes it easier for Apple to help software devs recompile to ARM from only 64-bit apps. There's a reason Bitcode exists as well as well as other tooling stacks that Apple has been working on.
ssgbryan
macrumors 65816
It isn't pathetic - Intel attempted both a node shrink and a process shrink in one go. It didn't work out.
That's very arrogant and unnecessary. When people pay a premium for PC hardware, they should expect premium products. Or should we all be happy with overpaying for last gen hardware, since we don't even know how to use it?
ssgbryan
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PCIe 4.0 is for storage. AFA GPUs, 8 lanes of PCIe 4.0 = 16 lanes of PCIe 3.0.
AMD APUs have x8 to the iGPU and x8 to the dGPU.
GregJohn
macrumors 6502
Intel really dropped the ball last year against AMD. It doesn’t look like Intel will be able to catch up for a couple years - mainly because I don’t think they anticipated AMD to come out like they did And they just aren’t ready production wise, but In a couple years they will likely be back on top which is really just good for the consumer in the end so I dont mind haha
You don't need TB on the CPU or the chipset.
A sprinter is a very different runner than a marathon runner!
The A series chip is still only a sprinter, it just can't run the marathon the Intel or AMD chips can do.
You do realize there has been TB3 support on Macbook Pro and AIr in the past few years right?
Here's MacBook Air with TB3 port: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/specs/
The difference is that Intel is moving TB controller onboard their CPU, while it has been external since the beginning.
Thunderbolt is not dependent on the CPU or chip set having it.
Can you say Xeon? Obviously notaaaaaand our mac pro is outdated already
They can't do marathons either in the form factors of iPad Pro or iPhone.
Apple's A chips are specifically designed for the form factors; Intel/AMD are not.
Build A chips for the laptops, you're going to have better sustained perf.
After all, look at what happened with 2018 rMBP with i9 CPUs where it was severally throttling itself most of the time.
hardwickj
macrumors 6502
Ahh I thought the controller already was moved onboard. Yea, you're right.
ssgbryan
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Don't have to put the TB circuitry in the CPU.
True, PCIe-4 would provide advantages for SSDs, although, do we have PCI-4 supported SSDs yet? If use SSDs are not coming in the next year, then there's no point as we can't replace the SSDs in the MacBooks anyway.
At the same time, it's very unnecessary to pay for technology that either doesn't make a significant difference or doesn't have other hardware to utilise it. If that's the case, might as well make the MacBook Pro have a curved screen. At the end of the day, unless you need something that's newly supported on the lower nanometer CPUs, such as Intel 10nm supporting integrated Thunderbolt, then doing it solely for meeting the marketing term isn't great use of resources. Now, if we had PCIe-4 mGPUs, that is being bottlenecked by PCIe-3, I'd agree with you. What about next year? Well, if there's support for PCIE-4 on various products (yes, we have SSDs) that the MacBook uses then sure, moreover, by that time I expect prices would have further decreased for such support (on a ground-level).
Edit - At the end of the day, we'll move to a lower nanometer eventually, but at the same time, it's still being used as a strong marketing term. I expect the MacBook Pro 14 inch to be using 10nm but then complaining about how it's not using 5nm would be silly. Would it be good if we was on 10nm for H-Series CPUs, yes. Is it so critical that we need a lower nanometer that it affects my purchase, no. Lastly, is not having PCIE-4 this year going to make me think lesser of the MacBook, no, although the PCIE-4 SSDs would be good for a proportion of the MacBook Pro users.
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Stromos
macrumors 6502a
See when Apple switched to Intel and how quickly Rosetta was left in the dust......
Both AMD and Intel have ultra-mobile parts.
ssgbryan
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Even $50 Athalon CPUs support ECC memory
PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs have been for sale for about 6 months now. 1Tb will put you back about $150.
FasterQuieter
macrumors 6502a
The hardware encoded 4K video the iPad outputs looks terrible. I was excited by that when it came out, but I am now back to using Handbrake on my Mac. The results are so much better. Still, I'd like to see ARM Macs. ARM Macs that run Handbrake or have better hardware encoders.