You and me both, and a hell of a lot of pother people too. The 2019 iMac is over a year old now and I’m not interested anymore. My late 2013 27” iMac 14,2 is performing well with Catalina so I can wait for months if need be.
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Intel Unveils 10th-Generation 'Comet Lake' Processors Appropriate for Updated iMacs
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You and me both, and a hell of a lot of pother people too. The 2019 iMac is over a year old now and I’m not interested anymore. My late 2013 27” iMac 14,2 is performing well with Catalina so I can wait for months if need be.
This sums it up pretty well. Intel had a great lead starting with Conroe in 2006, which put them in a dominant position against AMD and the competition for at least a decade. This was also when they won Apple over away from IBM's PPC architecture. It's unfortunate that instead of trudging forward with their success and using their on-hand capital to keep R&D booming, they rested on their laurels and stopped innovating as they had no real competition from AMD or anyone else. I don't really feel bad that they're now threatened by not only AMD, but also Apple's in-house chip design. Doesn't help that they also had to sell their failing modem business to Apple too.
I may bite at that upgrade...it's probably overdue.
'Appropriate for Updated iMacs'? As soon as Apple gets rid of the slim all-in-one case, maybe.
That’s my thinking. Even easier for that future head-to-head bake-off to show Apple’s ARMac beating Intel when Intel’s performance improvement curve stays shallower than Apple’s.
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There will never, EVER be an AMD iMac. Sorry AMD fanboys but you can keep on dreaming if you want.
Pair that 5.3 GHz chip with USB4 running at 77 Gbps. Damn.
I've got a 2019 iMac, and the bezels honestly don't bother me. Could they shrink them? Sure. But it's not a deal breaker for most people. Also, be careful what you wish for, because if they go crazy shrinking things further the thermal situation may worsen.
Ryzen 4000. 'Nuf said. (Desktops are rumored for October, laptops are already out). Go back to sleep, Intel.
The iMac needs to be re-imagined. It’s stale and badly needs a new design..
OMG, its still 14nm? I was assuming we'd finally be getting a die shrink on these by now. Wow.
With ARM based Macs supposedly coming next year this could be the last Intel updated CPU's for iMac's we see.
With ARM based Macs supposedly coming next year this could be the last Intel updated CPU's for iMac's we see.
Can someone confirm that these are only suitable for iMac and not MacBook Pro (16" in particular)
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WWDC: macOS on ARM is announced. New, redesigned iMacs with 10th gen Intel processors, along with A12 or A13 coprocessors, are released. macOS on ARM development can be performed and tested using these machines. Would that be crazy?
These are desktop processors. You're not going to find them in laptops, except for those massive gaming laptops which nobody should actually buy.
The 10th gen laptop CPUs were already released though. The 14 inch is expected to be introduced in May, and the MacBook Air already has the lower-power variant.
£ for £, AMD is where it's at now. If you have an Intel 2500k you can overclock to still compete pretty well with everything upto the 9th Gen. Every generation of Ryzen has brought real change, with Ryzen 4000 being a huge upgrade.
I bought a Ryzen 1600 AF Zen+ 12nm CPU a couple of weeks ago for £85. £85 for 6C/12T and can overclock to 3.8Ghz on the supplied cooler with no issue. The only Intel offering around the same price point worth talking about is the i3 9100, a 4C4T 14nm chip with absolutely no future. The 6 core (6 thread) i5 9400 is £190! To find an Intel chip with at least 12 threads you are looking at around 4x the price of the AMD part.
AMD would be perfect for Apple right now to fill the gap until the ARM chips are fully upto spec. With the buying power Apple has, the prices of the chips direct from AMD would be a fraction of retail pricing.
The current entry level iMac 27" comes with an i5 8500, with the 8600 and 9600K being upgraded parts. The jump from 8600 to 9900K (8C/16T 16MB cache) is a £500 (£480 retail price) upgrade. You can pickup a Ryzen 3800X (8C/16T 36MB cache) for £285 on Amazon, so direct pricing will probably be close to £200.
Across the board AMD offer far more for your money. Intel seem to have just given up on everything, and are quite happy regurgitating out the same old rubbish and cashing in from the likes of HP and Dell selling overpriced and underpowered laptops to people through high street retail channels.
I bought a Ryzen 1600 AF Zen+ 12nm CPU a couple of weeks ago for £85. £85 for 6C/12T and can overclock to 3.8Ghz on the supplied cooler with no issue. The only Intel offering around the same price point worth talking about is the i3 9100, a 4C4T 14nm chip with absolutely no future. The 6 core (6 thread) i5 9400 is £190! To find an Intel chip with at least 12 threads you are looking at around 4x the price of the AMD part.
AMD would be perfect for Apple right now to fill the gap until the ARM chips are fully upto spec. With the buying power Apple has, the prices of the chips direct from AMD would be a fraction of retail pricing.
The current entry level iMac 27" comes with an i5 8500, with the 8600 and 9600K being upgraded parts. The jump from 8600 to 9900K (8C/16T 16MB cache) is a £500 (£480 retail price) upgrade. You can pickup a Ryzen 3800X (8C/16T 36MB cache) for £285 on Amazon, so direct pricing will probably be close to £200.
Across the board AMD offer far more for your money. Intel seem to have just given up on everything, and are quite happy regurgitating out the same old rubbish and cashing in from the likes of HP and Dell selling overpriced and underpowered laptops to people through high street retail channels.
Me too, but if only Apple would make memory upgrade user changeable, instead of their gouging.
I don't understand why their high-end chips always drop after the cheap junk. That seems backwards.
What really allowed AMD to become competitive in some areas is TSMC.
Without their brilliant process work, none of it would have happened. Same goes for Apple's ARM-based CPUs.
“Updated” 10th “Gen”. Intel is old news for most consumer applications. Apple ARM or AMD for me please.
I had the impression that those new chips are good for the air and 14” but aren’t appropriate for the 16”, and so we’re still waiting on 16”-appropriate chips... Or did I catch that wrong?
The problem with the gaming laptops is heat. They are monsters for the first year and then slow down tremendously.
Not sure why this is getting dislikes; as an iMac owner (and lover!) I find the super-slim edges to be the design equivalent of a gimmick which likely introduces thermal constraints that don’t need to be there. I’d love to see thicker edges and a flatter back; the bulged back was appropriate for the late 2000s and early 2010s (think the first iPad) but feels very out of place with Apple’s current design language.
If you’ve opened up an iMac, you know that most of the space behind the chin and left/top/right bezels is empty because the chassis gets too slim to do anything with. That’s a lot of precious surface area being wasted, and I get that the iMac’s design requires plenty of empty space for airflow, but that’s not what’s going on, at least for the bezels.
The cheap junk is the fallout from failing to make the high-end. To start they can't do it, then they finally get it right and release the high end.