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Well, hearing this I cancelled my iMac order. I'll wait (sitting on fingers.) I'd rather give Apple money for brand new tech and I've dealt with the OS hiccups for almost 2 years now, I can deal for another few months.

Here's to my 2010 iMac lasting me until early 2016. If not, I'll worry about it then and roll with whatever comes down the pike.
 
Are you serious? Haven't you heard of the "MacBook"? http://www.apple.com/macbook/

Apple can drop the Air, the MacBook does everything the Air does but better.

Simplistic and wrong - the processing power in the Macbook is still less than the Macbook air.... sufficient for most day to day tasks.... but if it is less you cannot say it is a complete replacement. I expect the Macbook air line to be merged with Macbook pro with a wider range of processors.... and the Macbook will be your ultra-light where you don't need to do things like video editing.....
 
Simplistic and wrong - the processing power in the Macbook is still less than the Macbook air.... sufficient for most day to day tasks.... but if it is less you cannot say it is a complete replacement. I expect the Macbook air line to be merged with Macbook pro with a wider range of processors.... and the Macbook will be your ultra-light where you don't need to do things like video editing.....

I've been saying that the new MacBook is for those who want a MacBook Air in 2017 or 2018. Been saying that since it launched and I continue to say that. I can see the MacBook Air going the way of the classic Pro: maybe one more update then it will just sit.

Right now, I would agree with you, but in a couple years, it will be better.
 
I don't know, compared to the current top end 27" imac speeds, these seem kind of lame. It seems like we have now hit the ceiling for CPU speeds. More efficient, less power, etc, . . but the raw speed and any idea of more cores has pretty much been stuck where it is for a few years and now into 2016. Kind of disappointing.
 
I've been saying that the new MacBook is for those who want a MacBook Air in 2017 or 2018. Been saying that since it launched and I continue to say that. I can see the MacBook Air going the way of the classic Pro: maybe one more update then it will just sit.

Right now, I would agree with you, but in a couple years, it will be better.

Its going to be 2018 at the earliest as Intel recently announced that they're dragging 14nm out for another year longer than previously planned and delayed cannonlake for another year. We're going to be stuck with sky lake/kaby lake(which is a mild upgrade of skylake) until 2018 at the earliest. Which isn't enough to bridge the power gap between the 5 watt CPUs in the MacBook vs the Mba CPUs.
 
For one, Geekbench is a fairly artificial benchmark. Secondly, I think you got there something wrong: the estimated single core Geekbench-score for the A9 is not "only 30% lower" of what an i7-6700 can achieve, it is lower than 30% of the i7's score.

Fact is, the ARM CPUs are nowhere near top-line Intel CPUs in performance and will remain so for years to come.

True, Geekbench is fairly artificial, like all benchmarks. I checked the numbers again and you where right, I got it wrong. Estimated A9 single-core score is 4800. Highest i7-6700 single core score I found is 6000. So estimated A9 songle-core score is just 20% lower than i7.

But pls correct me if you find other numbers. I'm sure there are other benchmarks that tell a different story.
 
If the enthusiast market (those who understand the significant of the Skylake bump and determine that it's too good to not wait for) is considered a big enough market, I think Apple's may be forced to get Skylake into hardware as soon as possible.

Of course, it's more likely that most people don't know and they'll be little impact on forcing apple's hand.
 
Geekbench isn't some end all be all. I hope you don't really think those ARM chips which cost like 30 bucks can really rival a 300 dollar x86 Core M...
Looking at performance/$, yes, I actually do think that.
 
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if this gets me banned for life, so be it, but: Damn It!

"amid a declining desktop market, it is unclear when and with what processors the Mac mini will be updated."

The mini desktop is declining because the options are garbage. Get a good processor inside, and option the upgrade memory, and you'll see the market improve. Otherwise, of course it's going to decline!
 
Estimated A9 single-core score is 4800. Highest i7-6700 single core score I found is 6000. So estimated A9 songle-core score is just 20% lower than i7.

But pls correct me if you find other numbers. I'm sure there are other benchmarks that tell a different story.
Maybe you should take another look at the graph you posted yourself:
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The value of 4873 you quote is the multi-core score for the A9. Single-core is 1921. Which is precisely 27.7 % of the i7-6700K's single-core score of 6946.
 
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I've been saying that the new MacBook is for those who want a MacBook Air in 2017 or 2018. Been saying that since it launched and I continue to say that. I can see the MacBook Air going the way of the classic Pro: maybe one more update then it will just sit.

Right now, I would agree with you, but in a couple years, it will be better.

That's a good way of looking at it. With advancements I'm sure Intel could eventually create a Core M with comparable performance to the MBA's chips, just as how modern MBAs are not that much slower than their 13" retina pro counterparts.

Also, by 2017, display technology should be efficient enough to have a retina display with the 12 hour battery life of the Air. (The lack of retina display actually helps the MBA achieve it's insane battery life)
 
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MacBook has a performance of a 2013-year MacBook Air, you call this better?

Can we just agree it is different (different balance). Yes the CPU is not as powerful as the Macbook Air, but if you take 80% to 90% of people using their computers today - there CPU sits idle 80% - 90% (sometimes) more of the time since the tasks they run are not big. If you are using it for web browsing, for watching videos, for editing a document, spreadsheets, coding, etc. the core-m is more than sufficient. The biggest gains for the average user has been in the speed of the storage - it is what gives the user "performance". I would not use the Macbook for video editing, but then if I were doing that I would probably skip over the Macbook air and go to Macbook pro. I would have loved that machine when I was a road-warrior since I could carry it with me and it would not bug me as much as something like a standard laptop and would serve most of my uses. My preference is to have a full desktop at home (I just finished running something that took 60 hours on an 8 core machine), not a laptop and the Macbook fills the gap of having a mobile computer.
 
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