Bail out? Those are for bankrupts companies. The issue isn't Intel's inability to pay bills, because they have plenty of cash. The issue is Intel's inability to make product that customers want to buy.
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Bail out? Those are for bankrupts companies. The issue isn't Intel's inability to pay bills, because they have plenty of cash. The issue is Intel's inability to make product that customers want to buy.
In the third quarter of 2020, 62.6 percent of x86 computer processor or CPU tests recorded were from Intel processors, a fall from the 64.9 percent share seen in the previous quarter, whilst 37.3 percent were from AMD processors. When looking solely at laptop CPUs, Intel is the clear winner, accounting for 80 percent of laptop CPU test benchmark results in the third quarter of 2020.
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Welcome to corporate America. I know hundreds of people at Fortune 20 companies and Apple included. I didn’t say working for Apple was easy. Their management is FANTASTIC and when I say that, I specifically mean their management of the company.
Corporate will chew you up and spit you up. I should know...I’m in the game.
Windows can be virtualized in the cloud, or run on ARM. At some point, Dell or HP will release a PC that's 80% as good as an M1 mac, and if the masses accept it, Intel is done for.
You need to compare peak intel of about 4-5 years ago and to really show their decline. Intel used to own over 82% in 2016. In four years they’ve lost 20% market share of the x86 market with AMD taking the lions share of that loss. That’s significant.
Meanwhile, Intel won’t be able to release a cpu with more than 4 cores at 10nm until 2022.
Indeed. When I worked at AMD, 10% market share would have been cause for major celebration.
what does the graph entail? laptops? desktops? both? what about servers? can you provide the source for the data?
Edit: a quick google search reveals this from Tomshardware:
AMD Reaches Highest CPU Market Share Since 2007, Q3 2020 Report (Updated)
And Ryzen 5000 hasn't even landed yet.
AMD vs. Intel Total Market Share Q3 2020
| 3Q20 | 2Q20 | 1Q20 | 4Q19 | 3Q19 | 2Q19 | 4Q18 | 3Q18 | |
| AMD Client | 20.2% | 19.7% | 17.5% | 17.0% | 15.8% | 15% | 13.5% | 11.6% |
| Client PP Change QoQ / YoY | +0.5 / +4.3 | +2.2 / +4.7 | -0.5% / ? | +1.1 / +3.5 | +0.8 / +4.2 | ? | ? | - |
| AMD Overall x86 | 22.4% | 18.3% | 14.8% | 15.5% | 14.6% | 13.9% | 12.3% | 10.6% |
| Overall PP Change QoQ / YoY | +4.1 / +6.3 | +3.5 / +1.2 (+3.7?) | -0.7 / ? | +0.9 / +3.2 | +0.7 / +4 | ? | ? | - |
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I'm okay on Asus boards. The occasional Gigabyte and MSI boards are good too. But they were nowhere near as smooth of a ride as those Intel boards. Then again, nowadays, I tend to gravitate more towards AMD builds anyway. Still those Intel boards made Intel builds worth it!
Umm that’s how it starts. If you can’t sell a product then you can’t make money.
I say Intel should at least take baby steps. How about get off 14nm. 2014 called and they want 14nm back 😂
Why or in what regard is the M1 a huge innovation? If you have the capability amd the money to do your own chip I'd say it's a given to do it. Are the M1 products objectively better for the consumer? I didn't see anything that makes them significantly better once you look behind the marketing veil of Apple.
You can’t be serious. You can’t see how M1 is better than Intel? Ummm okay 🤦♂️
I have to say I have been and will ever be a Steve Jobs fan. Given the money and capabilities of Apple they could and should have achieved so much more. But after the death of Steve Jobs his predecessor Tim Cook only played the save game. No risks no real innovation. At least that's my view.
I'd be surprised if Intel's outcome to this is "back-flipping again".. You don't decide to make cpu's and motherboards to speed up production, delay times etc. just to hand them back off to others to do..
You'd be back to square 1 .. It would be interesting how Intel get outta this one. When you have bussiness who rely on the higher end Xeon models. you'r not gonna loose customers to those. They will keep buying because they all use VMWare... and they all need Intel's VT to function. SInce they have everyone locked in, there is no where to turn.
You'd be back to square 1 .. It would be interesting how Intel get outta this one. When you have bussiness who rely on the higher end Xeon models. you'r not gonna loose customers to those. They will keep buying because they all use VMWare... and they all need Intel's VT to function. SInce they have everyone locked in, there is no where to turn.
Oh geez another “Steve Jobs would have” post. The man is dead and no one could say what he would have done. What we can say is what Tim Cook has done. It’s clear he’s pushed Apple’s net worth and profits through the roof.
I don't specifically know about the particular models you mentioned, but watch these vids to get an understanding of what silly games Apple has been playing with the Intel cooling systems:
Yes because Linus isn’t an anti Apple puppet at all... Why don’t you link a Louis Rossman video while you’re at it 😂😂😂
Edit: Oh I see you did. My bad LMAO
Yeah, this. Amazon's already well along the migration to ARM, Microsoft is working on their own chips, and so is Google, though it's unclear if it's just for Pixel mobile phones or also server designs. But, once AWS and Azure ditch x86 for ARM, that's a huge fraction of the server market, and the more companies are working on it, the more it squeezes the laptop / desktop market with upscaled mobile chips from the bottom and downscaled server chips from the top.
The server market is actually much more flexible than the consumer market. Most server software is constantly being rewritten and deployed from source, so hopping processor architectures is often zero cost. It's not like the consumer market where users have years of legacy software from third parties they want to run that will never be updated and need translation software like Rosetta to keep using it. You just hit compile and deploy to Linux-on-ARM instead of Linux-on-x86, and your developers might not even need to know or care what they're running on.
Last time, they got into a dead end with the late Pentium architecture trying to increase clock speed with increasingly deeper instruction pipelines that led to the clock speed increases being just marketing and not actually increasing performance. Then they had the ill-conceived Itanium disaster as their attempt to get out of the hole they'd dug, but were ultimately saved by their Israeli division producing a radical redesign that led to the Core line of chips. That's actually key, as it took a group outside of their main corporate culture to be able to innovate their way out of the series of decisions they'd made, and I don't know if they have some overseas skunkworks division working in a new direction this time.
I always roll my eyes at “sweat shop” descriptions... If they’re only staying for the stock and when they leave, they can take the MONEY and run? That’s no sweat shop.
Watch these vids to see how Intel shipped chips that were NOT what they promised.
They emulate x86 faster than x86 runs x86, at a fraction of the power. If it was so easy, why didn’t anyone else do it?
You clearly didn't watch the vids.I always roll my eyes at “sweat shop” descriptions... If they’re only staying for the stock and when they leave, they can take the MONEY and run? That’s no sweat shop.
Watch these vids to see how Intel shipped chips that were NOT what they promised.
Ok, don't believe the vids then, no worries. But at least verify it for yourself. Get hold of a late model Intel MBA, and take the back cover off. You will be blown away to see that the heatsink sitting on the CPU has no heatpipe at all connecting it to the fan (exactly like in the vid). If you don't understand the significance of that, then find someone technical that you trust to explain it to you. Then get hold of an M1 MBA and take the back cover off, and check out the massive heat spreader that connects to the CPU's heatsink
Verifying that the Intel MBA heatsink doesn't sit flush onto the CPU is a bit more tricky, but I'm sure you can manage if you want to. Similarly tricky to verify that the M1 MBA heatsink does sit flush. And again you could find someone techy to explain the significance of that.
The no heat pipe vs heat spreader is the simplest thing you don't believe that you could actually verify for yourself.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not pooping on the M1 MBA at all, it's brilliant and game changing.
What I am doing is showing that the heating solution of the Intel MBA is woefully gimped, and that the overheating problem is actually more to do with Apple's design than Intel's chip. Why? My guess is as good as yours.
Since when is being better the Intel, a copany that according to this article is on a downward spiral, being good? Apple could do so much more with a good innovative management.
Which wasn't very difficult I'd say. On the contrary... you would have to be a huge moron to not make a very successful company out of 2011 Apple.
In very ideal not real life situations ;-)
Did I say Apple marketing veil? They were always very very good at that. A huge percentage of their success stems from marketing and not innovation.