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Boeing messed up, but it’s happened before. Building airplanes isn’t easy and only 2 companies do it with any large scale, each of which had engineering challenges which they fixed. The original 737 had a rudder problem too. Airbus had the “side stick” drama that doomed Air France among others.

You don’t always get the benefit of knowing what “would have” happened if they had done X or Y. Boeing was punished for their mistakes, the CEO lost his job, people lost their jobs, money, and lives. They are going to do everything they can to fix it.
The 737 Max wasn’t poorly engineered because of mistakes, like the other examples you cite. It was poorly engineered as a result of trying to save money. This backfired.
 
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Intel doesn't need a bunch of outsiders or investment analysts to tell them that they need to be taking steps to deal with these competitive developments. They surely knew that this was coming long before the new Apple devices were introduced and made available for sale.

If they did not, then that would be shocking. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

Now whether or not they are successful in adjusting to the new competition, that is yet to be seen. The business bookshelf is full of case studies, lessons learned from companies that did not adapt to changes in their market, or to new competitors who emerged. Companies that have been dominant for long periods of time in their industry tend to become so arrogant that they don't, or can't, see threats coming until it is too late.
 
Boeing focused on rushing out the Max to compete with Airbus rather than listening to their engineers. They didn’t just “mess up”. Although, IMO, the real outrage here is that the FAA approved it without properly verifying it. They are supposed to be the ones focused on safety over profit.
Didn’t you see I said they screwed up?
 
The 737 Max wasn’t poorly engineered because of mistakes, like the other examples you cite. It was poorly engineered as a result of trying to save money. This backfired.
The bottom line was mistakes were made. All decisions in business have consequences and they are paying for it. There have been other examples of poor choices...I didn’t say they were done for the same reasons, although I could find examples of money being the root of the mistake.

Point is, they happen, and just can’t happen too often. Boeing has a great record despite the Max issues.
 
Intel doesn't need a bunch of outsiders or investment analysts to tell them that they need to be taking steps to deal with these competitive developments. They surely knew that this was coming long before the new Apple devices were introduced and made available for sale.
Yup. They may be slightly surprised just how well M1 performs, but they’re unlikely to be shocked.
 
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But it can? So what are you talking about?
But it can't. Does the m1 chip run the universe of software the x86 can? This includes virtual machines, embedded x86 systems that rely on x86 architecture, datacenters that run windows servers, etc. Sure, a software developer, like Adobe can recompile an application for m1, but that is not what the comment is about. And windows for ARM can emulate only what was called old win32 applications, without the software developer recompiling the software.
 
Intel doesn't need a bunch of outsiders or investment analysts to tell them that they need to be taking steps to deal with these competitive developments. They surely knew that this was coming long before the new Apple devices were introduced and made available for sale.
Not totally disagreeing, but at the same token, shareholders have been silent on their technology issues for years, simply accepting it. yea, there have been short term declines in share price here and there but overall shareholders have been silent. And we have seen quite a bit of management turnover for several years, under public eye, with no success - so it was time that someone spoke up.

And yes, I'm sure apple told them probably a year ago that they will retire intel processors so they had plenty warning
 
But it can't. Does the m1 chip run the universe of software the x86 can? This includes virtual machines, embedded x86 systems that rely on x86 architecture, datacenters that run windows servers, etc.
Of course it can run the same software. There is nothing inherent in x86 that makes it more capable. Its just a question of developer support.
Yes, it may take some time, but given the huge advantages im performance an power consumption the M1 showcases it seems it won‘t take too long. The said is corroborated by the fact that the amount available Arm64 software is growing almost by the hour.

Actually I got more Arm based machines (MBP M1, 2 Nvidia Jetson Nanos, 1 Nvidia Jetson AGX Xavier, misc iOS devices) than Intels (One server, one desktop). My custom software just doesn‘t care about the CPU or ISA of my hardware, the compilers take tare of that for me
 
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Of course it can run the same software. There is nothing inherent in x86 that makes it more capable. Its just a question of developer support.
Yes, it may take some time, but given the huge advantage the M1 showcase seems it won‘t take too long. The said is corroborated by the fact that the amount available Arm64 software is growing fast.
So basically no for binary compatibility, which was the point. Of course, any software developer can port their applications to another platform, by redeveloping and recompiling an application. However, the bottom line is cost.

And many applications, infrastructural software are multi-platform, such as database platforms like my-sql. I'm sure the entire universe of x86 applications, services, systems can be ported to m1, given enough resources, time and money. But that doesn't mean it's feasible.
 
Doesn’t help that good engineers don’t want to work at Intel. Uninteresting work, too many people on each project, bad corporate culture, etc. I was offered a job there in the early 90’s, but was so taken aback by what I saw going on just during my full day interview in Santa Clara that I instead decided to go to grad school and see if there were better choices four years later (there were). At least as late as the 00’s, Intel still had the reputation in Silicon Valley of being the place where non-creative drones went to work on joyless projects.
Non-creative drones need to eat too...
 
The big companies (Amazon, etc) developing their own CPUs, hereby saving huge amounts of money (power consumption, coolig requirements, ...) strongly suggest its is very feasible indeed.
Binary compatibility is massively overrated
Amazon developing their own cpus that are not the m1 is not the point. You are making the point that any company with enough time, money and resources can develop anything they want related to their core infrastructure.

This is very different than saying the universe of applications, infrastructures and systems that run on x86 can run on m1 because the limiting factor for making it happen are resources, time and money.
 
I strongly disagree that Apple has a much better management. Apples current and merely temporary advantage is that they are still sitting on a larger cash pool and their main products are still tanking. But for half a decade now Apple hasn't done anything particular innovative.
The reason they are sitting on a pile of cash is because they have a good management. Tim Cook took the company to way more profitability than when Steve was alive. We have seen more product releases under Tim than Steve. Apple Watch, Pencil, Advanced AppleTV, TV+, Arcade, Mac Pro, Mac Pro Cheese grater , Multi camera phones , Pro Phones, Apple watch, Apple Speaker, Pro XDR Display (It is way more cheaper than competing products in the market and better.) , HomePod, HomePod mini, AirPods, AirPods Max, Apple Card, iPhone SE, Carplay, FingerPrint Reader on Phones, Finger Print Reader on Laptops, AR/VR , LIDAR hardware on Phones, M1 Processor is so innovative that Intel is seeing it as an imminent threat, and perhaps even AMD. The list is long, please do reconsider, Apple is way more innovative it just doesn't talk about every single detail and let people discover it.
 
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The reason they are sitting on a pile of cash is because they have a good management. . .
Sure, and they also have done what all other successful companies do these days, and they are largely hanging on to these great sums of money, aside from the mammoth bonuses and stock benefits that go to the very top of the management chain. I don't know what the pay is for most of the working level Apple employees. And are they passing on much of this profit as dividends to their shareholders.

I am glad to see Apple's success. I've been a fan of the company since the very beginning. But the 'pile of cash' comment points out that here is another example of how the gap in wealth in our current society is so huge.
 
Sure, and they also have done what all other successful companies do these days, and they are largely hanging on to these great sums of money, aside from the mammoth bonuses and stock benefits that go to the very top of the management chain. I don't know what the pay is for most of the working level Apple employees. And are they passing on much of this profit as dividends to their shareholders.

I am glad to see Apple's success. I've been a fan of the company since the very beginning. But the 'pile of cash' comment points out that here is another example of how the gap in wealth in our current society is so huge.
Aid is one thing but as a publicly traded company either they have to return that cash to investors or invest in research. And Apple does the latter, its budget for 2020 was $ 18.75 Billion. Thats way more than what Pharma companies invested for corona virus research.
 
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