The supposed demise of intel is bad news for everyone. Competition leads to better products.
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Except intel doesn’t compete.
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Intel was hit with a $1.49B fine back in 2009 for anti-competitive practices. Eleven years later, the company is still fighting the verdict.
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This is a really good point. It’s hard to say no to a job offer by your competitions headhunters when they offer you a significant increase in pay and more of a challenge when you don’t have to move or move far.
The 7 nm screwup is too big to hide. I think it's game over at this point. It's just about how quickly they disintegrate. I held INTC for a long time but sold in the middle of this year when the CEO said they were thinking of using TSMC. That basically sent the message of "we've screwed up so bad we have no idea how to fix it" or, in other words, the people that knew how to make it work are no longer at Intel.
I hate to say it, not like I have an axe to grind with Intel, but I hope their competitors grind this company into dust.
Sadly Intel is hopelessly behind Apple. Look at the M1. When could we have realistically expected similar performance at the power usage of the M1 from Intel???
Agreed with the rest of your post, just wanted to bring up questions on this out of curiosity. Why is it that these banks and government agencies (and probably many legacy things like military modules, radars, car manufacturing machines, etc) still relying on 16bit COBOL apps NEED 2020s CPUs to run their 1980s apps? Why don’t they just use the latest available for that, Intel/AMD can continue providing those CPUs to replace those that might fall apart in a reduced replacement production style. I don’t know much about this, but with all the M1 news and info out there, it feels like everyday users are dragged by legacy transistors that are useless for them and legacy users are dragged and paying expensive modern transistor count that’s also useless for the use they need, a waste-waste situation.
That wouldn’t help too much, anyway, as it turns out. (Former AMD cpu designer here).
Not quite Intel “haters”, we can all agree that Intel being phased out is bad for consumers, competition, jobs and industry as a whole. And the hate isn’t unwarranted... they just pump high TDP heat-producing chips and leave the OEMs to fend for themselves. Apple isn’t the only one suffering it, RAZR, Dell, Lenovo and all others have to deal with the same issues... and actually I think Apple did an amazing job at keeping at it (minus the latest Intel MacBook Air) so much so that even unplugged on battery power the benchmarks are exactly the same (and sometimes faster as it heats just a bit less without power delivery charge) while the other OEMs would sometimes have half the scores.
On a personal experience, I got nothing against Intel, iMacs or their cards. Heck, the imac has 16GB of VRAM and plenty of power on such a compact all-in-one form. It chews Blender, Unity, 3dsmax through parallels even. FCP, Motion, After Effects, Photoshop even more so... but there’s one thing that M1 and above are bringing to the table, pretty much like when GPUs came out and offloaded the CPU from doing graphics/vertex-transform/pixels etc rendering, Apple‘s M1 has TONS of GPU-like CPU offloading with ML cores, input/output dedicated chips, encryption/decryption/file-system dedicated chips, encoding/decoders dedicated chips (the main reason why it can handle insane codecs that even a Mac Pro can’t), so on and so forth all tight and close together...
I’m no expert and I might be wrong, but I think there’s something quite powerful going on here and I would wait and hesitate to call it ”BS” so early.
I don't give a rats if Intel fails to exist. Intel, together with Microsoft stifled advancement, destroyed competition, and kept the prices up for well over a decade. I hope greed will kill them off. I'm glad Apple will ditch Intel and I hope others will follow.
re b: Oct'20 earnings statement reads: Announced agreement to sell Intel NAND memory and storage business to SK hynix for $9.0 billion
McAfee was sold in Sep 2016
re a: yes, but more and more Arm is showing up in the server space, recently Microsoft but also Google, Amazon etc are working on their own, and there are the likes of Ampere starting to dig into this space
re c: pls read Intel's earnings announcements, not a whole lot of revenue outside of x86
Intel will continue to dominate x86 which is not going to go away any time soon, but their revenue has been mostly flat and it will further decline going forward ...
AMD has definitely benefited from going fabless. I do not see them as "leading the pack" to a new architecture, there's a lot of baggage and the OEM industry (HP, Dell etc) will not follow AMD. At the same token, Intel is not the one either, and neither is Microsoft, there is a lot of dirt and the industry is not going to follow the "Wintel" model moving forward.
Other than Apple, I don't see anyone shaking all of this lose, hence I believe x86 will continue to live longer than it should ...
I don’t agree at all that Intel going away would be bad for consumers, competition, jobs, or industry. Intel has had a tremendously anti-competitive effect on the industry for years, and has held the industry back for years. Since the early 1990’s, at least.
That’s what everyone said when we invented AMD64, too. How’d that turn out?
well, they don't compete in x86 but all the other products they make, and where they do have to compete, they are not leaders ...Except intel doesn’t compete.
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. v. Intel Corp. - Wikipedia
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Intel Is Still Fighting the EU Over Its Anti-Competitive Actions Against AMD - ExtremeTech
Intel was hit with a $1.49B fine back in 2009 for anti-competitive practices. Eleven years later, the company is still fighting the verdict.
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take action on big improvements to graphics gpu
lower price of overclock capable cpu
get cracking on your wafer yields
i miss gordon moore at the helm
take action on big improvements to graphics gpu
lower price of overclock capable cpu
get cracking on your wafer yields
i miss gordon moore at the helm
point taken, it still does not change my mind that I do not see them leading to a new architecture, away from x86
I remember about 15 years ago they were boasting about CPUs having 80 cores in the future.... LOL.
Good job, good effort, Intel.
Good job, good effort, Intel.
I highly doubt that regulators would allow that.
None of the companies you mention will hitch their wagon to an upstart. If Intel had what it took to break with tradition and launch something new, those companies would love to stay with Intel. But Intel doesn’t have what it’s takes. Itanium didn’t fail because customers resisted change— HP codeveloped it, and big iron makers were eager to use it. It failed because Intel flat out failed to deliver and, I believe they failed to deliver because they’re culturally incapable of leaving x86 behind and introducing a new architecture.
AMD has the potential to be seen as a reliable vendor, who understands the x86 landscape, but can also be nimble without being anchored to the past. Remember, while Intel was sinking the Itanic, AMD was finding a much more pragmatic path to 64 bit and the industry embraced the AMD solution.
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Me personally have a few dos games I still play, that I consider classics. But as noted above, emulation will not solve all issues with intel x86 architecture code. Deep and wide is the big issue and what made intel the powerhouse, which it still is.
Can definitely agree on that, the bad practices and anticompetitive behavior could definitely be done for.
They don’t need to. They can give developers the ARM tools and universal binary packaging like Apple does. This is just a stopgap proof of concept mostly for older apps that won’t be updated.