GilGrissom
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Just for you people who are discussing the pricing of processors and systems etc, Intel has announced price drops of its 64-bit P4s if you're interested and applies to you.
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Intel's 2006 Processor Roadmap
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GilGrissom
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Some more sources of new information for you all to "debate":
For your discussions about low end machines and how well they run in x amount of years, comparing OS X to Windows, TMO is reporting on how Vista may not even run on low-end machines, due to its high spec list, and makes contrasts between Windows and Mac in the same situation.
To keep the heat on Intel with its new roadmap, AMD is reportidly uping the anti on its 64-bit notebook processors, PC Pro reports here.
To go along with this, it is reported by AppleInsider that Intel may have dual-core HT chips earlier than expected.
For your discussions.
Enjoy.
For your discussions about low end machines and how well they run in x amount of years, comparing OS X to Windows, TMO is reporting on how Vista may not even run on low-end machines, due to its high spec list, and makes contrasts between Windows and Mac in the same situation.
To keep the heat on Intel with its new roadmap, AMD is reportidly uping the anti on its 64-bit notebook processors, PC Pro reports here.
To go along with this, it is reported by AppleInsider that Intel may have dual-core HT chips earlier than expected.
For your discussions.
Enjoy.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
FUD call
Vista will run on virtually everything sold today. (I'd say "all", but there's more than likely some off-breed box with some gizmo or old card that won't be supported.)
Like OSX 10.4, some visual effects won't be available with the lowest end graphics cards. Like OSX 10.4, you'll want a DirectX9 graphics with reasonable VRAM. (The Intel 900 series shared graphics (like in the MacIntel devo systems) is OK - it is DX9 with up to 224 MiB of RAM.)
Like OSX 10.4, you'll probably want to add system memory to the lowest end configurations unless your usage is really minimal (few apps open at once).
Pure FUD.Gil_Grissom said:
Vista will run on virtually everything sold today. (I'd say "all", but there's more than likely some off-breed box with some gizmo or old card that won't be supported.)
Like OSX 10.4, some visual effects won't be available with the lowest end graphics cards. Like OSX 10.4, you'll want a DirectX9 graphics with reasonable VRAM. (The Intel 900 series shared graphics (like in the MacIntel devo systems) is OK - it is DX9 with up to 224 MiB of RAM.)
Like OSX 10.4, you'll probably want to add system memory to the lowest end configurations unless your usage is really minimal (few apps open at once).
My understanding from CNet was that Vista wouldn't run on any computers with integrated Video cards. Thought that may be just the beta.
Websnapx2 said:
It will, it just won't be as pretty. Like OSX, if there is more capable hardware, you get prettier stuff. Probably what CNet was trying to say was that if you have integrated video, you're likely to not be able to upgrade to a dx9 card so won't be able to see the full Aero effects. It will run in "compatibility" mode, just like OSX falls back to normal rendering if it can't find something that supports the 3D stuff it needs.
This isn't the original place I saw it, but has the same story and quotes.
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1351622
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Intel 900 is DX9...
The integrated graphics on the 800 series (AGP) chipsets is DX8, and would need an upgrade card for full DX9 video support.
ps: Does anyone know if the MacIntel developer machines support CoreImage in hardware? They have a DX9 capable graphics system....
The integrated graphics on the Intel 900 series (PCI express) chipset/motherboards is DX9 capable - you shouldn't need to upgrade.ewinemiller said:
The integrated graphics on the 800 series (AGP) chipsets is DX8, and would need an upgrade card for full DX9 video support.
ps: Does anyone know if the MacIntel developer machines support CoreImage in hardware? They have a DX9 capable graphics system....
Intel released some new info on their next-gen processors today at the IDF.
Of particular note are the power ratings they published for the chips. The mobile part (Merom) will supposedly consume just five watts while offereing three times the performance per watt of current the current Pentium M based on the Dothan core. Assuming this isn't all just some PR spin, the desktop iteration (Conroe) looks to be an absolute monster, offering five times the performance per watt as Dothan. Considering how much more juice it sucks than Dothan (65 watts for Conroe vs. just 21 for Dothan) it would seem that chip has the potential to absolutely fly. Hopefully these things don't turn out to be just vaporware...
Edit: Looks to be a typo in the origianal article. Merom is rated at 35W TDP, not 5. That makes a bit more sense.
Of particular note are the power ratings they published for the chips. The mobile part (Merom) will supposedly consume just five watts while offereing three times the performance per watt of current the current Pentium M based on the Dothan core. Assuming this isn't all just some PR spin, the desktop iteration (Conroe) looks to be an absolute monster, offering five times the performance per watt as Dothan. Considering how much more juice it sucks than Dothan (65 watts for Conroe vs. just 21 for Dothan) it would seem that chip has the potential to absolutely fly. Hopefully these things don't turn out to be just vaporware...
Edit: Looks to be a typo in the origianal article. Merom is rated at 35W TDP, not 5. That makes a bit more sense.
Wow
These things are going to run really cool. My 90nm AMD processor idles around 30C. It never gets "hot" like most Intels, but if these are actually going to be 62nm, then I can't imagine what they'll idle at. Anyway, this is definitely a good move for Apple, who's always trying to get the best. And they've done a fine job of that. 😎
These things are going to run really cool. My 90nm AMD processor idles around 30C. It never gets "hot" like most Intels, but if these are actually going to be 62nm, then I can't imagine what they'll idle at. Anyway, this is definitely a good move for Apple, who's always trying to get the best. And they've done a fine job of that. 😎
Macrumors said:
Tom's Hardware reviews Intel's upcoming 2006 Processor roadmap based on information they have obtained. According to the hardware enthusiast site, Intel is indeed aggressively reducing power consumption on high end desktop processors as well as mobile processors.
Meanwhile, Intel seems to be making steady progress with their mobile "Napa" platform which will provide both single and dual core Yonah processors. These processors are expected in January of 2006. Yonah is a 65-nm dual-core mobile processor that many expect Apple to use as early as 2006.
Apple had cited energy efficiency as one of the major reasons for the switch to Intel.
