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Intel's Anti-Mac Ad Campaign Highlights M1 Shortcomings
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Just because it has the editor, doesn't mean it has the hardware to achieve these results.
Since when does a Mac offer Realtime Raytracing?
Macs are well known in the industry for having the worst and oldest graphic cards out there.
And this won't change with their ARM M[n] anytime soon.
AMD and NVIDIA are lightyears ahead.
As I responded to another poster, TGL at 10 and Zen 3 on 7 are effectively the same node in terms of power. AMD is not on TSMC’s leading edge. Zen 3 is quite a bit ahead of TGL, especially in multicore. Intel may catch up or surpass with Alder lake, but for now ... AMD’s Zen is the superior uarch. Half of Apple’s cores are efficiency cores and though they are excellent efficiency cores, conceptually in terms of multi ore perf Apple’s 4+4 is essentially equivalent to 4 x86 cores with SMT2. They both run 8 threads. And the best way to normalize perf is not really that but perf/watt. Also Apple’s higher core chips will be out soon too. Again Intel really has to wait until Alder lake and hope it is a home run.
I have a Mac for personal and a PC for Work. Ive been in IT my entire life so I need to know both and appreciate both. Wish I could do everything on my Mac but it falls short on some work related task. Same with PCs Slow Slow Slow. I tend to work on both.
I had to turn on my work provided Wintel laptop the other day- I’m not sure it’s booted to Windows yet.
The Mac (especially the M1 Macs) just feel like the future. This is what computing should be.
Like you, I run an internet-based business, but ours is cloud native running in Kubernetes. I don't buy machines, I just rent cores on demand. My workload doesn't care about the physical CPU, and my cloud provider just tells me they can either be Intel or AMD. I could get Intel specifically, and pay a premium, but it would be a waste.
For workloads like mine, which are becoming far more common, the CPU is a commodity. If Intel depends on some kind of brand differentiation, then expect a long, slow decline as servers migrate to this model.
Intel doesn't make raytracing hardware either, and the examples you showed do not seem to use ray tracing. You don't need ray tracing to achieve that.Just because it has the editor, doesn't mean it has the hardware to achieve these results.
Since when does a Mac offer Realtime Raytracing?
Macs are well known in the industry for having the worst and old graphic cards out there.
Given that Metal has all the APIs for real time raytracing, many suspect that Apple will have dedicated RT hardware soon, at least when the next Mac Pro comes out.
The M1 GPU is the most powerful integrated PC GPU. It beats anything from intel and the best GPU AMD puts in their laptop SoC, at a fraction of the power used.
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Always curious what you cannot do on your Macintosh? Is applications that do not run, or hardware specific things? If these are applications, are they commercial or custom (things your company wrote or had someone write)? I still see some number of applications that are windows only (a shrinking number of more general ones), and many more that have moved to web versions.
Interestingly, many of the web versions have really nice iOS/iPadOS version, many of which run on Apple Silicon Macintoshes. For some of those it is actually better to run the app on the Macintosh, than the web version on Windows.
And that has exactly what to do with Intel???
Here I am playing Rocket League on my Nintendo Switch which *checks notes* yes it is running on an ARM processor.
Given that you are running under Kubernetes, I wonder if you have looked at AWS’s ARM instances? For some of our workloads they are much more efficient and cheaper.
How much of what you run in your own code, vs. licensed third party applications?
In the same way, I expect that you will care less about instruction set in the future and will run on whatever has the best price performance with your cloud vendor. That is the even more serious problem for Intel.
This is not true.Just because it has the editor, doesn't mean it has the hardware to achieve these results.
Since when does a Mac offer Realtime Raytracing?
Macs are well known in the industry for having the worst and oldest graphic cards out there.
And this won't change with their ARM M[n] anytime soon.
AMD and NVIDIA are lightyears ahead.
Not only that but apparently Apple’s GPU hardware is extremely good at software rendered light raytracing - much better than AMD/Nvidia. Not sure how useful that is to be good at but there it is.Intel doesn't make raytracing hardware either, and the examples you showed do not seem to use ray tracing. You don't need ray tracing to achieve that.
Given that Metal has all the APIs for real time raytracing, many suspect that Apple will have dedicated RT hardware soon, at least when the next Mac Pro comes out.
The M1 GPU is the most powerful integrated PC GPU. It beats anything from intel and the best GPU AMD puts in their laptop SoC, at a fraction of the power used.
When Apple releases the next 16" MacBook Pro, its GPU will compete with discrete GPUs that consume much more power. By simply doubling the number of GPU cores, it should equal the 50W radeon Pro 5600M for less than half the power used.AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals
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it’s weird too, with the exception of using AMD over Nvidia Apple is generally known for prioritizing graphics for the size, weight, and power classes. If you compare Apple’s use of intel’s integrated graphics, which no we’re not very good at any level, they tended to use the best there that they could get. So I’m not sure where he’s coming from.
Sure. This is M1. Intel is what?? I-10 + Pentium + Centrino + Forgotten +..........and they feel threatened by "M1"? What would they feel about M3 or M4?
Every large company that has taken their market dominance for granted needs to realize that they need to change very fast or they will face extension (remember market leader Motorola?). It's good that Intel feels threatened.
Every large company that has taken their market dominance for granted needs to realize that they need to change very fast or they will face extension (remember market leader Motorola?). It's good that Intel feels threatened.
Intel is doing okay because the demand for AMD chips is so great that people have to buy Intel chips because there aren’t enough AMD chips to go around.
Really? Apple SoCs don't score very well in octabench, AFAIK.Not only that but apparently Apple’s GPU hardware is extremely good at software rendered light raytracing - much better than AMD/Nvidia. Not sure how useful that is to be good at but there it is.
My next desktop will be built with AMD Ryzen inside.
My next laptop will be an M1 Macbook.
Intel who?
If you can get one.
I can order a 10700 or 10700k right now on Amazon for MSRP or below. I could get a 5800x, 5900x or 5950x but I’d have to pay a $300 to $500 premium from outfits I’ve never heard of.
Touch screens aren’t even an Intel technology.
My work laptop has a touch screen and I never use it. Because I don’t like it. It makes no difference to me that it’s there but I certainly don’t want to pay more for it.
Apple won't have anything that serves the Industry like Intel, NVIDIA and AMD does in the professional computing and graphics industry. Hypothetically, even if they could offer that, they would never get their feet into these areas, Apple is too strict and inflexible for this. The Metal API is also nothing special, high class Games and CADCAM is far more demanding to what Apple can offer with Metal. Rosetta is a interesting example, the Apps & Games they showed on stage ran at low res, thats not comparable at all. Yeah they ran, but it's up to the user to decide if it worth the torture, for me it wouldn't.Intel doesn't make raytracing hardware either, and the examples you showed do not seem to use ray tracing. You don't need ray tracing to achieve that.
Given that Metal has all the APIs for real time raytracing, many suspect that Apple will have dedicated RT hardware soon, at least when the next Mac Pro comes out.
The M1 GPU is the most powerful integrated PC GPU. It beats anything from intel and the best GPU AMD puts in their laptop SoC, at a fraction of the power used.
When Apple releases the next 16" MacBook Pro, its GPU will compete with discrete GPUs that consume much more power. By simply doubling the number of GPU cores, it should equal the 50W radeon Pro 5600M for less than half the power used.AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals
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I'm not saying their hardware suck, It's nice, as I said, I own a M1 MBA myself and I'm very satisfied with it, it last long, etc.
But it would be childish, fanboyish and very unprofessional to make a statement that Apple will crush Intel,AMD,NVIDIA like most in here do. Apples hardware is primary used in mobile and lifestyle sector.
Serving the mass is not a high class.